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Remove zoom/pan from undo/redo history

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Remove zoom/pan from undo/redo history

Anonymous
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I know there is no way to exclude zoom and pan from the history, so I'll make a post on the forum hoping to get consent on this honestly unnecessary and harming feature. We should decide nonetheless whether to include them or not. I'm a Fusion 360 user and when I learnt about this I was so let down on the software, why in the world is this a thing and who thought it was a good idea?

 

Please tell me if you know a way to exclude them. I'll highly appreciate.

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Kent1Cooper
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Do a Search -- this topic has been raised many times before.

Kent Cooper, AIA
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imadHabash
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Hi,

i suggest to try UNDO >> Control >> Combine . Combine option Controls whether multiple, consecutive zoom and pan commands are combined as a single operation for undo and redo operations. also you can check and change UNDOCTL system variable with this values :

  • 0 UNDO is turned off
  • 1 UNDO is turned on
  • 2 Only one command can be undone
  • 4 Auto is turned on
  • 8 A group is currently active
  • 16 Zoom and pan operations are grouped as a single action
  • 32 Layer property operations are grouped as a single action

Imad Habash

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@Kent1Cooper wrote:

Do a Search -- this topic has been raised many times before.



Yet Autodesk refuses to acknowledge this incredibly silly implementation. It needs to change, and complaint can only help. 

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@imadHabash wrote:

Hi,

i suggest to try UNDO >> Control >> Combine . Combine option Controls whether multiple, consecutive zoom and pan commands are combined as a single operation for undo and redo operations. also you can check and change UNDOCTL system variable with this values :

  • 0 UNDO is turned off
  • 1 UNDO is turned on
  • 2 Only one command can be undone
  • 4 Auto is turned on
  • 8 A group is currently active
  • 16 Zoom and pan operations are grouped as a single action
  • 32 Layer property operations are grouped as a single action

I've only found "Combine zoom and pan commands" in "User preferences -> Undo/Redo" which is on by default, and it doesn't address the problem. I can't find what you mean but it wouldn't help.

cadffm
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"it doesn't address the problem"

It DOES adress tge problem!

But it is also the limitation: You can combine multiple in line following zoom&pan steps to one undo step,

but you can not fully disable it.

 

. "I can't find what you mean but it wouldn't help."

??

Type in

UNDO<hit ENTER>

press [F1]

..

It apprears the Undo command documentation.

Sebastian

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pendean
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BTW, you can tell Autodesk all about it here https://www.autodesk.com/company/contact-us/product-feedback

a.henry.rose
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this is a terrible feature. autodesk, what the what?

pendean
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@a.henry.rose no one here is Autodesk, and if they are, they have nothing to do with the software product they are simply policing the forums for the most part.

If you want to share your thoughts with Autodesk you will have to do more here https://www.autodesk.com/company/contact-us/product-feedback

RobDraw
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One person's terrible feature is another's valued tool. Nothing like a visual to help you backtrack.


Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.

david-terry
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@RobDraw 

While you're not wrong, that's also far from helping.

For those who find this 'feature' as troublesome as I do, just grouping the pans and zooms changes nothing.

 

Maybe you all just need an example to see WHY this is the worst:

1) I undo a bunch of work, minutes of work, to see one small thing, to identify one piece of text, to see where I had one line drawn that I had subsequently removed.

2) I copy or write down whatever info I needed.

3) WHOOPS!! I accidentally hit my mouse wheel when grabbing my mouse and it zoomed just one single notch AND NOW ALL OF MY RE-DO'S ARE GONE FOREVER AND I HAVE TO REDO EVERYTHTING I JUST UNDID.

 

Hopefully That clears things up, what that problem is and why it's a problem.

 

I would love an option, a checkbox, that says "ignore pans and zooms for undo/redo".

 

pendean
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@david.terryXZUHwrote:

>>>...I would love an option...<<<
Ask for it at the proper location, here https://www.autodesk.com/company/contact-us/product-feedback

Then convince a few 1000s of others to do the same. It could happen in 2-5-10-20 years if it is not in the works already for big reveal sooner.

In the meantime really get into customizing and using UNDO command fully with all of its sub-options, you can get close to avoiding many of the pitfalls of the default choices at the commandline https://www.cad-notes.com/using-autocad-undo-its-more-than-just-one-step-back/

HTH

RobDraw
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Suggesting alternative workflows is helping. You can choose to accept it or not. Continuing to complain about something that has been requested for decades puts it in the hands of Autodesk. I'm not sure that's helping much if at all. Neither is asking for change without fully exploring your opinions.

 

Good luck.


Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.
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engviles
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best solution I found: I switched software and stopped using autocad for most of my services.

RobDraw
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Great solution for a perceived issue. 


Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.

tboehler
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Maybe do a save prior to using the undo command?  One second of safety is worth several minutes of undo redo's.

 

 

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pendean
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@Anonymous Excellent tip if they know the differences between SAVE, SAVEAS and QSAVE in AutoCAD.
There is also the full abilities of UNDO that is often missed by an average AutoCAD user never goes beyond the default https://www.cad-notes.com/using-autocad-undo-its-more-than-just-one-step-back/ and https://www.cadlinecommunity.co.uk/hc/en-us/articles/360012754118-AutoCAD-Tip-Undo-Mark-Undo-Back plus https://www.google.com/search?q=autocad+undo+command+tutorial
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david-terry
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Thank you for that suggestion @tboehler. Someone else recommended I dig into the various undo options (it never occured to me that undo would even have options, it's just undo, right?) and one of them allows you to save a current state. Next time I need to do a lot of undoing I'll try this out, but honestly I don't see  it being much faster than just saving a copy to work in or pull from. 

 

I still just think that saving zooms/pans is redundant. Zoom to where you were when an actual command was issued, no need to save individual zoom points without a command associated with them.

RobDraw
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From this non-programmer/long time user's point of view, you're talking about stuff that may seem like it would be easy to change but just might require a lot of other changes and reprogramming. I'm pretty sure rewriting basic functionality from the ground up is not something that you want to do on such an old program.

 

Just saying...


Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.

Kent1Cooper
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@david-terry wrote:

....

I still just think that saving zooms/pans is redundant. Zoom to where you were when an actual command was issued, no need to save individual zoom points without a command associated with them.


As they said in the old spaghetti sauce commercial, "It's in there!":

 

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We use Google Analytics (Advertising) to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Google Analytics (Advertising). Ads are based on both Google Analytics (Advertising) data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Google Analytics (Advertising) has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Google Analytics (Advertising) to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Google Analytics (Advertising) Privacy Policy
Trendkite
We use Trendkite to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Trendkite. Ads are based on both Trendkite data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Trendkite has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Trendkite to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Trendkite Privacy Policy
Hotjar
We use Hotjar to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Hotjar. Ads are based on both Hotjar data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Hotjar has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Hotjar to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Hotjar Privacy Policy
6 Sense
We use 6 Sense to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by 6 Sense. Ads are based on both 6 Sense data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that 6 Sense has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to 6 Sense to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. 6 Sense Privacy Policy
Terminus
We use Terminus to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Terminus. Ads are based on both Terminus data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Terminus has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Terminus to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Terminus Privacy Policy
StackAdapt
We use StackAdapt to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by StackAdapt. Ads are based on both StackAdapt data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that StackAdapt has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to StackAdapt to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. StackAdapt Privacy Policy
The Trade Desk
We use The Trade Desk to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by The Trade Desk. Ads are based on both The Trade Desk data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that The Trade Desk has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to The Trade Desk to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. The Trade Desk Privacy Policy
RollWorks
We use RollWorks to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by RollWorks. Ads are based on both RollWorks data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that RollWorks has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to RollWorks to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. RollWorks Privacy Policy

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