Remove zoom/pan from undo/redo history

[Anonymous]

I know there is no way to exclude zoom and pan from the history, so I'll make a post on the forum hoping to get consent on this honestly unnecessary and harming feature. We should decide nonetheless whether to include them or not. I'm a Fusion 360 user and when I learnt about this I was so let down on the software, why in the world is this a thing and who thought it was a good idea?

Please tell me if you know a way to exclude them. I'll highly appreciate.

[Kent1Cooper]

Do a Search -- this topic has been raised many times before.

[imadHabash · Accepted solution]

Hi,

i suggest to try UNDO >> Control >> Combine . Combine option Controls whether multiple, consecutive zoom and pan commands are combined as a single operation for undo and redo operations. also you can check and change UNDOCTL system variable with this values :

• 0 UNDO is turned off
• 1 UNDO is turned on
• 2 Only one command can be undone
• 4 Auto is turned on
• 8 A group is currently active
• 16 Zoom and pan operations are grouped as a single action
• 32 Layer property operations are grouped as a single action

[Anonymous]

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@Kent1Cooper wrote:

Do a Search -- this topic has been raised many times before.

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Yet Autodesk refuses to acknowledge this incredibly silly implementation. It needs to change, and complaint can only help. 

[Anonymous]

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@imadHabash wrote:

Hi,

i suggest to try UNDO >> Control >> Combine . Combine option Controls whether multiple, consecutive zoom and pan commands are combined as a single operation for undo and redo operations. also you can check and change UNDOCTL system variable with this values :

• 0 UNDO is turned off
• 1 UNDO is turned on
• 2 Only one command can be undone
• 4 Auto is turned on
• 8 A group is currently active
• 16 Zoom and pan operations are grouped as a single action
• 32 Layer property operations are grouped as a single action

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I've only found "Combine zoom and pan commands" in "User preferences -> Undo/Redo" which is on by default, and it doesn't address the problem. I can't find what you mean but it wouldn't help.

[cadffm]

"it doesn't address the problem"

It DOES adress tge problem!

But it is also the limitation: You can combine multiple in line following zoom&pan steps to one undo step,

but you can not fully disable it.

. "I can't find what you mean but it wouldn't help."

??

Type in

UNDO<hit ENTER>

press [F1]

..

It apprears the Undo command documentation.

[pendean]

BTW, you can tell Autodesk all about it here https://www.autodesk.com/company/contact-us/product-feedback

[a.henry.rose]

this is a terrible feature. autodesk, what the what?

[pendean · Accepted solution]

@a.henry.rose no one here is Autodesk, and if they are, they have nothing to do with the software product they are simply policing the forums for the most part.

If you want to share your thoughts with Autodesk you will have to do more here https://www.autodesk.com/company/contact-us/product-feedback

[RobDraw]

One person's terrible feature is another's valued tool. Nothing like a visual to help you backtrack.

[david-terry]

@RobDraw 

While you're not wrong, that's also far from helping.

For those who find this 'feature' as troublesome as I do, just grouping the pans and zooms changes nothing.

Maybe you all just need an example to see WHY this is the worst:

1) I undo a bunch of work, minutes of work, to see one small thing, to identify one piece of text, to see where I had one line drawn that I had subsequently removed.

2) I copy or write down whatever info I needed.

3) WHOOPS!! I accidentally hit my mouse wheel when grabbing my mouse and it zoomed just one single notch AND NOW ALL OF MY RE-DO'S ARE GONE FOREVER AND I HAVE TO REDO EVERYTHTING I JUST UNDID.

Hopefully That clears things up, what that problem is and why it's a problem.

I would love an option, a checkbox, that says "ignore pans and zooms for undo/redo".

[pendean · Accepted solution]

@david.terryXZUHV wrote:

>>>...I would love an option...<<<
Ask for it at the proper location, here https://www.autodesk.com/company/contact-us/product-feedback

Then convince a few 1000s of others to do the same. It could happen in 2-5-10-20 years if it is not in the works already for big reveal sooner.

In the meantime really get into customizing and using UNDO command fully with all of its sub-options, you can get close to avoiding many of the pitfalls of the default choices at the commandline https://www.cad-notes.com/using-autocad-undo-its-more-than-just-one-step-back/

HTH

[RobDraw]

Suggesting alternative workflows is helping. You can choose to accept it or not. Continuing to complain about something that has been requested for decades puts it in the hands of Autodesk. I'm not sure that's helping much if at all. Neither is asking for change without fully exploring your opinions.

Good luck.

[engviles]

best solution I found: I switched software and stopped using autocad for most of my services.

[RobDraw]

Great solution for a perceived issue. 

[tboehler]

Maybe do a save prior to using the undo command?  One second of safety is worth several minutes of undo redo's.

[pendean]

@Anonymous Excellent tip if they know the differences between SAVE, SAVEAS and QSAVE in AutoCAD.
There is also the full abilities of UNDO that is often missed by an average AutoCAD user never goes beyond the default https://www.cad-notes.com/using-autocad-undo-its-more-than-just-one-step-back/ and https://www.cadlinecommunity.co.uk/hc/en-us/articles/360012754118-AutoCAD-Tip-Undo-Mark-Undo-Back plus https://www.google.com/search?q=autocad+undo+command+tutorial

[david-terry]

Thank you for that suggestion @tboehler. Someone else recommended I dig into the various undo options (it never occured to me that undo would even have options, it's just undo, right?) and one of them allows you to save a current state. Next time I need to do a lot of undoing I'll try this out, but honestly I don't see  it being much faster than just saving a copy to work in or pull from. 

I still just think that saving zooms/pans is redundant. Zoom to where you were when an actual command was issued, no need to save individual zoom points without a command associated with them.

[RobDraw]

From this non-programmer/long time user's point of view, you're talking about stuff that may seem like it would be easy to change but just might require a lot of other changes and reprogramming. I'm pretty sure rewriting basic functionality from the ground up is not something that you want to do on such an old program.

Just saying...

[Kent1Cooper]

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@david-terry wrote:

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I still just think that saving zooms/pans is redundant. Zoom to where you were when an actual command was issued, no need to save individual zoom points without a command associated with them.

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