Manage Xref drawings for EXISTING DEMO, RCP, PROPOSED

[Code_x]

Hi, can anyone please share what is the best practice and strategy to create working drawings for architectural set in Autocad?

It will be an existing building that needs to be renovated, so it will have an existing, demo, proposed, electrical plans and maybe some more alternative options. In a practical approach do I first create my exist+demo conditions in one file and then Xref that into a new file and there start creating proposed on top of it?  or should I separate the existing condition from demo drawing? So the main question here,  how do I structure and organize these xrefs into each other,  so it doesn't cause any problems later in the project so that my walls and other elements stay coordinated. 

[michaelQ4K53]

Wow you sure seem to know a lot about me! Thanks for continuing to muddy up the entire thread with posts that aren't contributing to the issue at hand! Seems this forum is the perfect place for you

[michaelQ4K53]

Thank you for revising your instructions! Again, as someone who mainly uses Revit I cannot just decide to use AutoCAD Architecture, hence why I am in the appropriate forum.

I found that tutorial to still be way more basic then what's actually been asked. The video I linked is describes the workflow for creating demolition plans which was the original comment I replied to.

[pendean]

@michaelQ4K53 The video you linked to is how what you want is done in plain AutoCAD.
it literally is the only option.

Simple or not, this is not REVIT, plain AutoCAD is simplistic and your posted video is all you do.

There is no secret other method.

[michaelQ4K53]

Simple or not, this is not REVIT, plain AutoCAD is simplistic and your posted video is all you do.

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You're making a lot of assumptions yet again - I am simply mentioning that AutoCAD is often times NOT the PRIMARY program people are using, this is valuable information that you should consider storing away and think about before posting your "answers"

THAT IS CORRECT! The video I found on my own is the solution to the question I asked and the question OP asked a couple years ago - hence why I posted the video and not some basic tutorial for Xrefs; but thank you for confirming that what I posted was the actual solution, it only took how many messages to get us there? If you do not understand the question do not post unhelpful answers - no one is asking for a "magical" "secret", you need to let go of that, you're the only person to bring that up. 

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[RobDraw]

There is no single solution. In fact, your question, as worded, has no solution. The fact is that there are many solutions. It can all be done in a single file with everything where it should be, like Revit. It can be done with multiple files, one for each trade and each phase but it's all done in drawing files. So, an existing XREF is not made into a demo XREF. The elements within the drawing are changed to demolition, the XREF isn't. 

One would think that with your extensive knowledge of Revit, that you would already know that. I can't see why you wouldn't. 

[michaelQ4K53]

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@RobDraw wrote:

There is no single solution. In fact, your question, as worded, has no solution. The fact is that there are many solutions.

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There is no single solution, has no solution, there are many solutions....?? Pick a lane man.. Was my first comment poorly worded? Absolutely! Did I provide PLENTY of information to clarify?  Sure did! The simple fact is there are a million solutions to this and no one on this forum was able to provide a single one.

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So, an existing XREF is not made into a demo XREF. The elements within the drawing are changed to demolition, the XREF isn't. 

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That is changing the xref.... if you Xref a base drawing and want to demo a wall in that file, you need to change that in the ORIGINAL drawing. One would think with your extensive knowledge of CAD you would understand the very basics of how to talk about it, but hey thanks for commenting on something I resolved myself. 

[RobDraw]

You are one of those special people that live in there own little box and are so locked into it that they can't even take a step back to try to see how others see things.

Let's scratch the surface as to why I say that.

You keep calling it an XREF. An XREF isn't a type of file. It's a drawing. Often generated as part of a set of drawings for another trade. It isn't an XREF until another file uses it. More often than not it is a copy of the working file but it can be the same file. By saying that you want to change an existing XREF into a demolition XREF shows an extreme lack of understanding. Your reaction when you thought no one was understanding you was to lash out at everyone like you were under attack. Misunderstandings happen all the time. Next time you feel like you're not being listened to, have a look in the mirror. Maybe, just maybe, what you are saying doesn't make sense and is making it difficult for the responder to understand in a way that answers your real question. In this case, it did sound like you were asking for a magic button to do something to something that doesn't actually exist. It was obvious that you needed to clarify but you put the blame on the reader AND you didn't even realize that there was an answer. It wasn't a step by step because THE way to do it is totally reliant on the project environment. There isn't a single solution, there are many but none of them work for everyone. 

Good luck!

[michaelQ4K53]

Oh good to know you're just building off of how much you know me again? Clearly reading and comprehension is not your strong suit, you can nitpick the nomenclature all you want. At the end of the day if you're as good at CAD as you think you are, you would and did, understand what I was talking about. Now you're so butthurt that you're trying to backtrack and point out anything I said wrong.. seems like the majority of you are having a bad day, so maybe cut your losses and quit responding with comments that aren't helpful.

If you really want to nitpick not even your definition is correct, an XREF is not a drawing at all, it is a reference the program uses to link drawing files together, if you're going to try and correct me at least be right.. When someone asks you a question you don't understand do you just give them an answer or do you ask more questions to try and understand? When you don't understand do you just repeat your same answer and say "well its not magic" or do you just say "I don't know", If the question I posed is really that crazy but somehow there are a million out there, then why reply if you don't have a solution? Clearly I take my ability to teach people for granted because the help on this forum is anything but, just a bunch of guys who can't get out of CAD and would rather comment back and forth then actually understand the question and provide a solution.

Not to mention the crux of your entire post, that "you want to change an existing XREF into a demolition XREF" couldn't be further from the truth - you're arguing over something I never said and that you inferred  - I asked for the WORKFLOW of adding demolition changes to the base drawing (which is xrefed in this case). If it is as simple and there are as many solutions as you all say, then couldn't you respond with "copy the base file, add demo layer, then xref that" WOW I DID IT IN 10 WORDS!!!! Are you honestly that upset with the world that you are going back and forth with a complete stranger on the internet - if so maybe you should log off and stop contributing or maybe try therapy? You need learn to look outside your little CAD bubble and realize that the vast majority of the world does not operate in it, and there are PLENTY of solutions that exist outside of it.

[RobDraw]

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@michaelQ4K53 wrote:

Did you end up finding a solution to this? I am dumbfounded why I can't find "how to demo an Xref" or any sort of workflow describing this.

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Here's your mirror.

[michaelQ4K53]

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@RobDraw wrote:

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or any sort of workflow describing this.

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Here is your reading comprehension skills - you're also quoting the very first comment lol apparently that was the only one you've been reading

[RobDraw]

Unfortunately, you missed the ones stated earlier in the thread.

Reading comprehension my donkey.

SMH...

BTW, without clarification, there are no workflows to do what you were asking.

[michaelQ4K53]

Unfortunately, there were no solutions prior to me posting a video myself with the solution, at which point you started commenting, So pretty much a moot point since you're just on here just trying to start **** and argue right? I mean, is  your life really that sad kid? You've honestly provided nothing to this entire thread besides a wonderful quote: "it has no solution, there is no single solution, there are a million solutions" So while you nitpick about the way I phrase something at least I speak coherently. 

[RobDraw]

Actually, the most common solutions were already in the OP. This thread was supposed to be about which one was best. That answer is subjective and could just be a personal preference because of variety of ways to accomplish the same thing. My first response actually addressed that question. Reading comprehension, ya know?

[michaelQ4K53]

Actually the OP reposted his question to which no one answered - reading can be really hard my dude but I don't have time to teach you right now. And that quote was from your first post kid - you provided absolutely nothing to the conversation because you joined in trying to talk **** after I found the solution and posted it. Go take your anger issues out on your girlfriend, this isn't the place for you to be butthurt, you were wrong and it's ok to admit it. In the future though, before you comment, say it out loud (since reading is hard for you) so you don't look like a clown. 

[RobDraw]

Maybe you haven't been here long enough to realize that the OP is at the top of every page in this forum. It's supposed to help people stay on topic.

Wow, just wow.

[michaelQ4K53]

And yet you're the one continuously commenting on things that have nothing to do with the OP's post or the followup questions I asked about and eventually solved before you even got here. I don't think anyone can be this dumb so clearly you're just trolling, or maybe i'm just living in your head rent free, always replying to whatever I say like a good boy ❤️ 

[RobDraw]

That's right, I am a good boy. My mother told me that it's rude to not respond when spoken to. By that astute observation, you have admitted to perpetuating the very thing that you are criticizing me about. How ironic...

[michaelQ4K53]

That's right you are my good obedient little boy - no matter how stupid you sound!

I know this is very difficult for you to understand so please take your time reading this - you replied to my comment, which was after the solution In posted. You're commenting on my posts.. which means I am replying to you....... Buddy go take a nap and come back to this thread you look like a moron.

[RobDraw]

Thank you.?

[michaelQ4K53]

You have to be the worlds worst troll