Autodesk Answer Day - Anno scale in paperspace

[clindner]

Good morning! Let's get the Answer Day kicked off!

I have been dealing with drawings in which paper space's annotation scale is something other than 1:1. I've seen drawings in which paper space's annotation scale is 1'-0"=1'-0", 1/4"=1'-0", even 1"=1' (drawing attached). This is primarily an issue when copying annotative objects between drawings and they obviously appear to disappear when pasted. 

Questions:

1. How does the PS anno scale even get changed in the first place?
2. Why would this even be possible?
3. Most importantly, how can I change/correct it?!

Thanks!

[lionel.bekale]

Hi Clindner,

Welcome to the community.

What version of AutoCAD you use and on which environment it is installed?

For 2017 and later you may need to install the latest updates if you have not done so.

See AutoCAD 2017.1.2 Update or AutoCAD 2018.0.2 from the Autodesk Desktop App or from your Autodesk Account. 

The solutions in the post below may help you solve the issue: 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/autocad-forum/annotation-scale-in-paper-space/td-p/2442516

Please keep us posted on the progress.

[clindner]

Thanks for the response, Lionel.

I'm using using 2017.1.1 with Windows 10 Pro. I'll install 2017.1.2 but I'm not optimistic after reading the release notes. 

I've read that thread before. I can't understand why those particular posts were marked as solutions! This is not a drawing units issue nor a how to enable annotation scaling issue! #wildgoosechase

Again, 

1. How does the PS anno scale even get changed in the first place?
2. Why would this even be possible?
3. Most importantly, how can I change/correct it?!

[clindner]

Thanks for the response, Lionel.

I'm using using 2017.1.1 with Windows 10 Pro. I'll install 2017.1.2 but I'm not optimistic after reading the release notes. 

I've read that thread before. I can't understand why those particular posts were marked as solutions! This is not a drawing units issue nor a how to enable annotation scaling issue! #wildgoosechase

Again, 

1. How does the PS anno scale even get changed in the first place?
2. Why would this even be possible?
3. Most importantly, how can I change/correct it?!

[clindner]

Thanks for the response, Lionel.

I'm using using 2017.1.1 with Windows 10 Pro. I'll install 2017.1.2 but I'm not optimistic after reading the release notes. 

I've read that thread before. I can't understand why those particular posts were marked as solutions! This is not a drawing units issue nor a how to enable annotation scaling issue! #wildgoosechase

Again, 

1. How does the PS anno scale even get changed in the first place?
2. Why would this even be possible?
3. Most importantly, how can I change/correct it?!

[clindner]

Strange. I've tried to post a reply 4 times and none appear. We'll see of this one does.

[edit[Of course, it did. But I still can't get my original reply to post! It says successful, and even shows up until I refresh the browser (Chrome).

 

Anyone else have this problem? 

[clindner]

Thanks for the response, Lionel.

I'm using using 2017.1.1 with Windows 10 Pro. I'll install 2017.1.2 but I'm not optimistic after reading the release notes. 

I've read that thread before. I can't understand why those particular posts were marked as solutions! This is not a drawing units issue nor a how to enable annotation scaling issue! #wildgoosechase

Again, 

1. How does the PS anno scale even get changed in the first place?
2. Why would this even be possible?
3. Most importantly, how can I change/correct it?!

[clindner]

Thanks for the response, Lionel.

I'm using using 2017.1.1 with Windows 10 Pro. I'll install 2017.1.2 but I'm not optimistic after reading the release notes. 

I've read that thread before. I can't understand why those particular posts were marked as solutions! This is not a drawing units issue nor a how to enable annotation scaling issue! #wildgoosechase

Again, 

1. How does the PS anno scale even get changed in the first place?
2. Why would this even be possible?
3. Most importantly, how can I change/correct it?!

[clindner]

Thanks for the response, Lionel.

I'm using using 2017.1.1 with Windows 10 Pro. I'll install 2017.1.2 but I'm not optimistic after reading the release notes. 

I've read that thread before. I can't understand why those particular posts were marked as solutions! This is not a drawing units issue nor a how to enable annotation scaling issue!

Again, 

1. How does the PS anno scale even get changed in the first place?
2. Why would this even be possible?
3. Most importantly, how can I change/correct it?!

[john.vellek]

Hi @clindner,

I have seen the link provided by @lionel.bekale but I couldn't get it to work.  I am not sure what is actually causing this issue.

I have a file from another customer (this thread).

This file has three layouts and two are set 1' = 1' but the third one has a scale of 1/8"=1'-0"

I went through the -dwgunits routine but couldn't get the scale correct.

So, I unlocked the viewport on the layout. I then set the scale of the viewport at 1:1

Next I used CANNOSCALE and set the value to 1:1

Aha! It worked.  Can you try this too and let me know if  you have any success? I have been playing with this off and on for a week and hope this fix does the trick for you.

[Edit] - I am wrong, still didnt work....still looking.

Please select the Accept as Solution button if my post solves your issue or answers your question.

[clindner]

Thanks, John. Thanks for the link! Glad to have the issue verified.

[And, of course, now all my replies are showing up! WTH? Argh! (I'm unable to delete the duplicates, but someone internally is free to. Please! :-))]

FWIW, I spent about an hour going over this with John Beltran @ AU last year. It definitely seemed to be a bug and was related to the scale list somehow. I forget the specifics.

One workaround I found was that the PS anno scale can be "reset" by creating a new layout, assigning the same page setup as used on the "bad" layout, and copy/pasting all the content from the bad onto the new. I created this Autolisp routine to do this for us.

The only issue this doesn't address is that the default paperspace anno scale in some drawings is 1:1 and others is 1'-0"=1'-0". So, while the workaround takes care of the odd-ball anno scales (like 1/4"=1'-0"), it still doesn't explain why there are two different scales, how to get them back to 1:1 (for consistency), and doesn't resolve the issue of copy/pasting annotative objects between drawings. 

[john.vellek]

Hi @clindner,

I agree that the fix is a simple one (creating the new layout) but I still want to know what sequence of events/commands causes this issue. I will keep looking and will report back if I can make a determination of the cause.

[john.vellek · Accepted solution]

HI @clindner,

Here is a fix to get the Annoscale of your paperspace layout corrected.

• Select the layout with the bad annoscale.
• At the command line, paste in the following lisp: 

(setq pspaceVport (ssname (ssget "_x" '((0 . "VIEWPORT") (69 . 1))) 0 ))

(sssetfirst nil (ssadd pspaceVport))

• In the Properties palette, set Display Locked to No
• Change the Annotation Scale to 1:1
• Set the Display Locked to Yes

Please try this on your file and let me know if it works for you.

Please select the Accept as Solution button if my post solves your issue or answers your question.

[ChrisWebster]

I have been fighting this paperspace annotation scale for several years now. Seems like C3d introduced it?

But john.vellek's solution does fix the problem.

Is there a one step lsp code that does this? Again, I would like the paperspace annotation to be set at 1:1.

Thanks.