AutoCAD Block Attributes: Annotative Behaviour

[Jake_PCH]

I have set the different block attributes within the attached block to different annotative displays. This works within the block but not once the block is placed - once placed ALL attributes show regardless of their respective annotative scale setting within block.

Is this a limitation of block attributes or am I missing something?

[imadHabash]

Hi,

>> once placed ALL attributes show regardless of their respective annotative scale setting within block.

Would you please show us an image for that?

[TheCADnoob]

what is your ANNOALLVISIBLE  varible set to?

https://help.autodesk.com/view/ACD/2024/ENU/?guid=GUID-D8E50F6F-FB71-4A20-A3B9-7701C0518B81

ANNOALLVISIBLE (System Variable)

Hides or displays annotative objects that do not support the current annotation scale.

Type:	Integer
Saved in:	Drawing
Initial value:	1

Value	Description
0	Only annotative objects that support the current annotation scale are displayed
1	All annotative objects are displayed

The ANNOALLVISIBLE setting is saved individually for model space and each layout.

Note: When ANNOALLVISIBLE is set to 1, annotative objects that support more than one scale will only display one scale representation.

[imadHabash]

just guessing...

You may need to change ANNOALLVISIBLE value.

Command: ANNOALLVISIBLE
Enter new value for ANNOALLVISIBLE <0>: 1

[Jake_PCH]

Thanks for the responses. I can confirm ANNOALLVISIBLE is not the issue. See screen recording...

[cadffm]

You can nor pre-define or pre-set the attributes in future.

It works with layer, color and default value, but there is no default annotation-scale.

[Jake_PCH]

Hi Sebastian,

Could you please expand upon your comments?

[cadffm]

Sorry.

What I said is: It is not possible this way.

You can not pre-set all (wanted) scales.

Your block working well, but it is not possible to create a new blockreference 

and the created attributes already has the scales you want.

Workaround, rarely one you are happy with:

If you want to create a new blockreference with attributes, what have pre-set scales,

you need to copy an existing blockreference,

with attributes, what have the scales in question.

[Jake_PCH]

Thank you for elaborating. Could you please clarify what you mean by blockreference?

[cadffm]

Blockreference is the object what is displaying your block.

Take a random DWG and select "one block" by mouse pick and 

take a look to the properties [CTRL+1].

On top this palette, you will see the object type. THIS is a BlockREFERENCE!

Blockreferences displaying the BLOCK CONTENT (line circles and so on).

Blockreferences are NOT copies of " a block"

[Jake_PCH]

Thank you for clarifying.

So, unless I'm mistaken, I am already using your approach. Even when I insert the block as new (not copy), the attributes of the blockreference do not behave in the same way as they do within the block environment.

[cadffm · Accepted solution]

Right, because your Attributes (what are attached on a Blockreference) are independing copies of your AttributDEFINITION,

and AutoCAD forget (= not designed to) to add the supported scales from your Attributdefiniton(ATTDEF).

Take a look:

Select an Attrib! How to: Press and hold CTRL while you pick on an attribut.

Take a look to the properties.

It is annotative, yes, but look at the supported scales (in Properties palette, click on the current scale - f.e. 1:1

right of this value, press [...]

You will see, just one scale is listed.

Add more scales to check if it works then.

You can copy this blockreference and it will work fine too.

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All you can learn from this: Autocad is not designed to work as you want (the blockreference creation process).

[Jake_PCH]

Thanks for clarifying again. 

A function to retain attribute properties (NOT content, ie. Text/Field value) would be a good feature for Autodesk to add!