One 4-poles circuit breaker: ACE sees 4 circuit breakers

[Anonymous]

In this forum I have learned how to transform a 3-poles circuit breaker in a circuit breaker 4 poles with this command:

wd_3 unit Qxxx Qxxx Qxxx Qxxx 

where Qxxx it's a generic 3-poles circuit breaker that i want to tranform in 4-poles circuit breaker.

Cool but there is a problem.

After I drew all the circuits of my electrical plant/machine I prepare reports and terminal with automatic procedures of autocad: in this step there is a problem:  For one 4-poles circuit breaker (for example Q3) ACE sees 4 separate circuit breakers (Q3, Q, Q,Q ), not only Q3!

So problem with automatic reports and automatic terminal that put in drawing 4 separate circuit breakers Q3, Q, Q,Q.

How can i solve?

It's important because in Italy we use 4 poles CB almost always

[Anonymous]

In this forum I have learned how to transform a 3-poles circuit breaker in a circuit breaker 4 poles with this command:

wd_3 unit Qxxx Qxxx Qxxx Qxxx 

where Qxxx it's a generic 3-poles circuit breaker that i want to tranform in 4-poles circuit breaker.

Cool but there is a problem.

After I drew all the circuits of my electrical plant/machine I prepare reports and terminal with automatic procedures of autocad: in this step there is a problem:  For one 4-poles circuit breaker (for example Q3) ACE sees 4 separate circuit breakers (Q3, Q, Q,Q ), not only Q3!

So problem with automatic reports and automatic terminal that put in drawing 4 separate circuit breakers Q3, Q, Q,Q.

How can i solve?

It's important because in Italy we use 4 poles CB almost always

[Icemanau]

When you inserted the block, did you specify the correct sumbol for the additional poles?

It sounds like you used the same symbol for all four poles which would create this sort error.

Thee command should read wd_3 unit VCB11THI VCB21THI VCB21THI VCB21THI based on your attached screen shot.

The fourth character in the symbol name is the identification for a parent symbol or a child symbol.

If you use the parent symbol for all four poles, ACADE will see four different breakers.

A PARENT symbol is the one that normally has all the catalog data and a list of other componentns that ACADE ties to it.

The CHILD symbol normally has the part identification and a link back to to the parent symbol.

To fix your dwg, use the SWAP/UPDATE command and select the appropriate symbol from the 'Circuit Breaker 2nd+ Poles' sub menu in Circuit Breakers and then select each of the additional poles. Acknowledge the warning and proceed for all three.

Next, you need to edit each child symbol, click on 'Parent/Sibling' and select the first pole as the parent for the breaker.

Finally, do a project update and then you should find that ACADE is only reporting the one 4 pole CB in that dwg.

Regards Brad

[Icemanau]

When you inserted the block, did you specify the correct sumbol for the additional poles?

It sounds like you used the same symbol for all four poles which would create this sort error.

Thee command should read wd_3 unit VCB11THI VCB21THI VCB21THI VCB21THI based on your attached screen shot.

The fourth character in the symbol name is the identification for a parent symbol or a child symbol.

If you use the parent symbol for all four poles, ACADE will see four different breakers.

A PARENT symbol is the one that normally has all the catalog data and a list of other componentns that ACADE ties to it.

The CHILD symbol normally has the part identification and a link back to to the parent symbol.

To fix your dwg, use the SWAP/UPDATE command and select the appropriate symbol from the 'Circuit Breaker 2nd+ Poles' sub menu in Circuit Breakers and then select each of the additional poles. Acknowledge the warning and proceed for all three.

Next, you need to edit each child symbol, click on 'Parent/Sibling' and select the first pole as the parent for the breaker.

Finally, do a project update and then you should find that ACADE is only reporting the one 4 pole CB in that dwg.

Regards Brad

[Anonymous]

thank you but you give me a lessons with only word , so it very difficult to me to understand how i can do the right procedure, can you give me a screenshot series that explane the procedure?

i need only one symbol for the four poles, like normal 3 poles CB that there are in IEC ACE library , they have one symbol for 3 poles

[Anonymous]

thank you but you give me a lessons with only word , so it very difficult to me to understand how i can do the right procedure, can you give me a screenshot series that explane the procedure?

i need only one symbol for the four poles, like normal 3 poles CB that there are in IEC ACE library , they have one symbol for 3 poles

[dougmcalexander]

The multi-pole symbols in AutoCAD Electrical are designed to adapt to almost any wire spacing. Brad has given you the correct method for adding a 4-pole symbol to the menu that will adapt to varying wire spacing.   If you want a symbol that already has all poles included, at a fixed spacing, you can create this using Symbol Builder. Be sure to select the correct category for the new symbol,  like CB, DS, etc., so you get the proper attribute template.

Hint: With a fixed all-inclusive symbol there will be no need for a child symbol. The new symbol will be added to the menu as a normal symbol.  You won't use the command trigger method and the wd_3unit trigger.

[dougmcalexander]

The multi-pole symbols in AutoCAD Electrical are designed to adapt to almost any wire spacing. Brad has given you the correct method for adding a 4-pole symbol to the menu that will adapt to varying wire spacing.   If you want a symbol that already has all poles included, at a fixed spacing, you can create this using Symbol Builder. Be sure to select the correct category for the new symbol,  like CB, DS, etc., so you get the proper attribute template.

Hint: With a fixed all-inclusive symbol there will be no need for a child symbol. The new symbol will be added to the menu as a normal symbol.  You won't use the command trigger method and the wd_3unit trigger.

[Icemanau · Accepted solution]

All screen shots are utilising the IEC menu so don't worry if the symbols look different.

First screen shot shows the single pole CB entries in the component selection

This shot shows the 2nd pole menu which allows you to add additional poles and auxilliary contacts.

The different attributes between parent (Left) and child (Right) blocks.

Finally, the command I have set up in my Icon Menu to insert a 4 pole CB. IF you type this in, you should get the 4 pole breaker you desire or you can add it to your Icon Menu.

You will notice that I have not bothered to change the icon image from the 3 pole image however the command will insert the 4 pole breaker with no problems.

I added a 4 Pole CB sub menu to the main CB directory which has all the three pole breakers copied and edited to insert a 4 pole CB.

Regards Brad

[Icemanau · Accepted solution]

All screen shots are utilising the IEC menu so don't worry if the symbols look different.

First screen shot shows the single pole CB entries in the component selection

This shot shows the 2nd pole menu which allows you to add additional poles and auxilliary contacts.

The different attributes between parent (Left) and child (Right) blocks.

Finally, the command I have set up in my Icon Menu to insert a 4 pole CB. IF you type this in, you should get the 4 pole breaker you desire or you can add it to your Icon Menu.

You will notice that I have not bothered to change the icon image from the 3 pole image however the command will insert the 4 pole breaker with no problems.

I added a 4 Pole CB sub menu to the main CB directory which has all the three pole breakers copied and edited to insert a 4 pole CB.

Regards Brad

[Anonymous]

thank you so much,  now I understand, 

I had already created (with a procedure similar to yours) a personal 4-poles  CB library  but I made this error: "wd3_unit VCB11Q9 VCB11Q9 VCB11Q9 VCB11Q9 ", my error is that i write 4 equal VC113Q9

The exact procedure is instead "wd3_unit VCB11Q9 VCB21Q9 VCB21Q9 VCB21Q9" where the Poles are taken from"second poles" library

This is a problem for every European ACE user because in europe (especially in Italy) we use 4 poles CB for electrical power distribution

[Anonymous]

thank you so much,  now I understand, 

I had already created (with a procedure similar to yours) a personal 4-poles  CB library  but I made this error: "wd3_unit VCB11Q9 VCB11Q9 VCB11Q9 VCB11Q9 ", my error is that i write 4 equal VC113Q9

The exact procedure is instead "wd3_unit VCB11Q9 VCB21Q9 VCB21Q9 VCB21Q9" where the Poles are taken from"second poles" library

This is a problem for every European ACE user because in europe (especially in Italy) we use 4 poles CB for electrical power distribution

[Anonymous]

I discovered this:

Primary/father pole name VCB1xQx

Second/son  pole name VCB2xQx

At the father name it is necessary to change only the fourth numbere from 1 to 2

[Anonymous]

I discovered this:

Primary/father pole name VCB1xQx

Second/son  pole name VCB2xQx

At the father name it is necessary to change only the fourth numbere from 1 to 2

[Icemanau]

Glad you got it sorted...

Regards Brad

[Icemanau]

Glad you got it sorted...

Regards Brad

[Anonymous]

CB 4 poles It's a important problem of italian and european user

[Anonymous]

CB 4 poles It's a important problem of italian and european user

[dougmcalexander]

You can always add additional poles to a 3-pole device using 2nd+ child symbols. That has always been available. Join the child to the 3-pole symbol with a dashed link line.

[dougmcalexander]

You can always add additional poles to a 3-pole device using 2nd+ child symbols. That has always been available. Join the child to the 3-pole symbol with a dashed link line.

[Anonymous]

ok for me ICEMANAU solution it's a very good solution

[Anonymous]

ok for me ICEMANAU solution it's a very good solution

[dougmcalexander]

I agree.  I've taught that method for many years.  But I don't want other readers to think that the software was designed without an option for handling 4-pole devices.  You can add as many poles as needed using 2nd+ method.

[dougmcalexander]

I agree.  I've taught that method for many years.  But I don't want other readers to think that the software was designed without an option for handling 4-pole devices.  You can add as many poles as needed using 2nd+ method.