Multi-condutor terminal blocks & dual ferrules

[Anonymous]

Hi!

How do you setup terminal blocks that are multi-conductor? Multi-level terminalblocks is easy to understand and setup (alot of examples). But in my project we have multi-conductor terminalblock (2 connections up and 2 down (4 in total and they all are connected)). 

Do you do 4 levels, 1 connection and internal jumper ? or one level with 4 connections? 

However I do this it looks wierd in the terminal strip editor. 

and related question is how you manage dual wire ferrule in a terminalblock? Example I got a multi-conductor terminal with 4 connection points. To it you have 5 wires, (3 singel ferrule and one dual wire ferrul). How do you illustrate/show in Autocad electrical which two cables are in the dual ferrule?

Best Regards

//Andrei

[Anonymous]

Sounds like your terminal block is really two double-level terminal blocks side by side, each internally jumpered top-level to bottom-level, and the two terminal blocks are also jumpered together.  You could just make it two blocks and jumper them together, or make it a 4-level block with LEVELDESCRIPTION something like TOP1,BOTTOM1,TOP2,BOTTOM2.  Also set INTERNALJUMPER.  You'll want to make these settings in the catalog database

For double-ferrules, set WIRESPERCONNECTION to 2.  Each level will then have two rows, and you can arrange the two wires on the same side of the block in Terminal Strip Editor.  If two wires are entering the same side of a TB, they should be double ferruled

[rhesusminus]

You can set the number of wires per connection in the block properties of the terminal (Which can be populated from the catalog data). I've set it ot 5 here:

These 5 connections are also shown in the TSE (Terminal Strip Editor):

For the ferrule... Normally we don't put "fittings" into the schematics. But, it can be shown with some "dummy graphics" in the schematics i guess.

Do you want the ferrules to appear in the BOM and the wiring reports?

[Anonymous]

I want to be able to have two symbol in my schematic that are the "same" terminal block.

So I can connect two upper connections at one point in my schematic and two lower at another point (and in cabinet it's the same 4 conductor terminalblock). 

I have belived that Associate would do this but it looks like it's still two different terminalblocks when I check Terminal strip editor.

I think i'm doing this all wrong. How do you link two symbol to the same physical object?

Best Regards

//Andrei

[Icemanau]

This has been asked for in the Idea Station in the past, and as yet, there is still no indication that it is coming.

http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/autocad-electrical-ideastation/parent-child-terminals/idi-p/5159815

http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/autocad-electrical-ideastation/allow-the-same-schematic-terminal-symbo...

http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/autocad-electrical-ideastation/peer-to-peer-terminal-connection/idi-p/...

Please visit and vote for each one to try and get this into a future version of ACADE.

Currently, each block inserted for a terminal is counted as a seperate terminal.

I do have a workaround but it is not at all elegant and clogs up the project database with extra data that is not needed.

Insert the first terminal and give it the correct INST and LOC.

When you insert the second terminal, ADD a suffix to any one of the INST, LOC or TAG STRIP values.

I change the INST from a panel number to BW (Bus Wiring) when I need to show the same terminal in more than one location.

As it's normally in a Bus Wiring dwg, I just use that as the INST.

In the TSE, ignore the extra terminal strips and just work with the ones required.

Regards Brad

[Anonymous]

Thanks Icemanau! Then I won't try to implement this setup.

Then I have a follow up question. If Associate is not used to get a Parent/child setup for symboles in ACADE then what is it's purpose?

I can just use the jumpers to connect terminals that needs to be connected. What are the benefits of using Associate?

Best Regards
//Andrei

[Icemanau]

Associate is used for MULTI LEVEL terminals...

You insert the terminal blocks as normal making sure to select the multi level part number.

Then you use Associate to tell ACADE that these terminals are actually one physical terminal with multiple levels.

Regards Brad