How can bend line of bend plate be dimensioned

[bigcarl5000kg]

I have been looking for a possibility / setting for dimensioning the bending line on sheet metal in my drawing for a long time. Can someone advise me, please? I didn't find anything in the dimension stills, maybe overlooked them.

So far we have added it manually, but this will probably also work automatically.

Many thanks in advance and have a nice day

[bigcarl5000kg]

I have been looking for a possibility / setting for dimensioning the bending line on sheet metal in my drawing for a long time. Can someone advise me, please? I didn't find anything in the dimension stills, maybe overlooked them.

So far we have added it manually, but this will probably also work automatically.

Many thanks in advance and have a nice day

[johnjmbennett · Accepted solution]

Hi,

think this is a limitation , it cannot be done automatically.

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/advance-steel/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/...

[johnjmbennett · Accepted solution]

Hi,

think this is a limitation , it cannot be done automatically.

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/advance-steel/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/...

[acbsdesign]

Hi @bigcarl5000kg 

This is done to edge of plates with MP X (or Y) Development Ref.MP Extreme (older dim requests names)

This is in the default Advance steel dwg style:

I will attach my dwg style for bent plates.

I always try to use Folded Beam command: _astm4CommUserSectionBeam

It works better than the Create folded plate. It is trimmed/extended as a beam, very fast.

Have a great rest of the day.

[acbsdesign]

Hi @bigcarl5000kg 

This is done to edge of plates with MP X (or Y) Development Ref.MP Extreme (older dim requests names)

This is in the default Advance steel dwg style:

I will attach my dwg style for bent plates.

I always try to use Folded Beam command: _astm4CommUserSectionBeam

It works better than the Create folded plate. It is trimmed/extended as a beam, very fast.

Have a great rest of the day.

[bigcarl5000kg]

Hi John,

many thanks, this is the backup solution for me 😉👍 

[bigcarl5000kg]

Hi John,

many thanks, this is the backup solution for me 😉👍 

[bigcarl5000kg]

Hi @acbsdesign,

many thanks for your solution. Can you please explain to me how to create a bend plate through a bend section?

I've heard of this, but I've never used it. Very funny solution 😉😄

Have a nice day

[bigcarl5000kg]

Hi @acbsdesign,

many thanks for your solution. Can you please explain to me how to create a bend plate through a bend section?

I've heard of this, but I've never used it. Very funny solution 😉😄

Have a nice day

[Sebastian_Eiche · Accepted solution]

this could be done with the folded beam:

it based on a polyline which you could create in the command itself, or before.

After this you could set up all properties. I prefer to have the polyline before, to use it again (if you use the fillet for the polyline, this will be automatic be used in the properties of the beam).

Very important: the display style. there is one exact style to change the beam afterwards...here is a very small example.

https://autode.sk/3APQy8b

[Sebastian_Eiche · Accepted solution]

this could be done with the folded beam:

it based on a polyline which you could create in the command itself, or before.

After this you could set up all properties. I prefer to have the polyline before, to use it again (if you use the fillet for the polyline, this will be automatic be used in the properties of the beam).

Very important: the display style. there is one exact style to change the beam afterwards...here is a very small example.

https://autode.sk/3APQy8b

[bigcarl5000kg]

Hi @Sebastian_Eiche,

thank you for your video - I learned to use it for bend section only 😁. Do you also use this or normal bend plate variant as standard?  

Another way, in the 2D plane (2D polyline) it's usable. What does it look like in space = 3D polyline?

In many cases, my connected parts do not have an orthogonal connection - and here the bend beam does not behave user friendly. How to proceed in this situation?

An example see attachement - bend plate joint. On the right is the finished solution via bend plate, on the left copied objects for another variant. Here the bend section solution does not seem to work ... 🤔

[bigcarl5000kg]

Hi @Sebastian_Eiche,

thank you for your video - I learned to use it for bend section only 😁. Do you also use this or normal bend plate variant as standard?  

Another way, in the 2D plane (2D polyline) it's usable. What does it look like in space = 3D polyline?

In many cases, my connected parts do not have an orthogonal connection - and here the bend beam does not behave user friendly. How to proceed in this situation?

An example see attachement - bend plate joint. On the right is the finished solution via bend plate, on the left copied objects for another variant. Here the bend section solution does not seem to work ... 🤔

[mick-CNF]

Thanks @johnjmbennett, did not think about this.

The folded beam work around is fine until you need something like the image.

I can't believe a development drawing style won't recognise bend lines for a plate.🤔

AD need to look at this.

[mick-CNF]

Thanks @johnjmbennett, did not think about this.

The folded beam work around is fine until you need something like the image.

I can't believe a development drawing style won't recognise bend lines for a plate.🤔

AD need to look at this.

[bigcarl5000kg]

I'm sorry, it works, but too much complicated ...

[bigcarl5000kg]

I'm sorry, it works, but too much complicated ...

[bigcarl5000kg]

too much complicated = trigger unnecessary edits after creating an object. With the help of the bend plate, I can get to the desired result more easily and especially more safely (accuracy). I don't understand why such an important feature is missing from the bend plate.

[bigcarl5000kg]

too much complicated = trigger unnecessary edits after creating an object. With the help of the bend plate, I can get to the desired result more easily and especially more safely (accuracy). I don't understand why such an important feature is missing from the bend plate.

[bigcarl5000kg]

Hi @mick-CNF,

yes it's curious 😃. I also think we don't need to use a trick for such a STANDARD THING

[bigcarl5000kg]

Hi @mick-CNF,

yes it's curious 😃. I also think we don't need to use a trick for such a STANDARD THING

[bigcarl5000kg]

Hi everybody,

I added a new request to Idea station, if you can / want to support it please here:

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/advance-steel-ideas/add-the-recognition-to-bend-line-for-bend-plates/...

[bigcarl5000kg]

Hi everybody,

I added a new request to Idea station, if you can / want to support it please here:

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/advance-steel-ideas/add-the-recognition-to-bend-line-for-bend-plates/...

[bigcarl5000kg]

Dear Mr. @Gernot.Jeromin,

can you have a look at this basic deficit?

Many thanks in advance

[bigcarl5000kg]

Dear Mr. @Gernot.Jeromin,

can you have a look at this basic deficit?

Many thanks in advance

[acbsdesign · Accepted solution]

Hi @bigcarl5000kg 

This is a short screencast of how handy is the use for pour stop in buildings:

Screencast 

As @Sebastian_Eiche  said, it is best practice to build a polyline first. 

I never use the folded plate for the reasons mentioned above.

Also-very important for dimensioning in beams sections-system line has to be top - outside edge.

Have a great day.

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[acbsdesign · Accepted solution]

Hi @bigcarl5000kg 

This is a short screencast of how handy is the use for pour stop in buildings:

Screencast 

As @Sebastian_Eiche  said, it is best practice to build a polyline first. 

I never use the folded plate for the reasons mentioned above.

Also-very important for dimensioning in beams sections-system line has to be top - outside edge.

Have a great day.

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[bigcarl5000kg]

Concluding remarks: the above mentioned solutions was accepted only as interim solutions. 

I believe that Autodesk will complete the missing function for a banal basic task in 3D CAD.

[bigcarl5000kg]

Concluding remarks: the above mentioned solutions was accepted only as interim solutions. 

I believe that Autodesk will complete the missing function for a banal basic task in 3D CAD.

[mick-CNF]

🙏

[mick-CNF]

🙏

[bigcarl5000kg]

Or maybe does Mr. @mihaido have some another solution - please / thanks?

[bigcarl5000kg]

Or maybe does Mr. @mihaido have some another solution - please / thanks?

[mick-CNF]

You would think that this would be an easy fix as bend lines can already be recognised in folded beams.

[mick-CNF]

You would think that this would be an easy fix as bend lines can already be recognised in folded beams.

[bigcarl5000kg]

Why then is there a separate object "Folded plate" in Advance steel? Not to be fully functional? To replace it with another object, such as a "Folded beam"? This gives all users a guaranteed big sense. 

Man does not need replacement solutions but functional base entities (and of those illogically functioning there are quite a few).

Let's not be David Copperfield, let's be users of working software.

[bigcarl5000kg]

Why then is there a separate object "Folded plate" in Advance steel? Not to be fully functional? To replace it with another object, such as a "Folded beam"? This gives all users a guaranteed big sense. 

Man does not need replacement solutions but functional base entities (and of those illogically functioning there are quite a few).

Let's not be David Copperfield, let's be users of working software.

[knightsteeldetailing]

The problem I had is that when I had bent plates that had bends that were some angle other than 90 degrees the bend lines would not show up on my drawing views. I finally found the fix to this after some research. Here is the link to the information.

Bending lines of folded plates cannot be visualized on Advance Steel drawings | Advance Steel 2020 |...

Its a setting that needs to be changed in the management tools.

[knightsteeldetailing]

The problem I had is that when I had bent plates that had bends that were some angle other than 90 degrees the bend lines would not show up on my drawing views. I finally found the fix to this after some research. Here is the link to the information.

Bending lines of folded plates cannot be visualized on Advance Steel drawings | Advance Steel 2020 |...

Its a setting that needs to be changed in the management tools.