Shear force results at member nodes

Shear force results at member nodes

david.mackie29GRW
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Shear force results at member nodes

david.mackie29GRW
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Hi,

I have modelled a steel frame and I am trying to view shear forces at member ends/connections/nodes.  The viewer appears to show Fz as kN/m along each member instead.  Is there a way of viewing member reactions at nodes?

Thanks

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Rafacascudo
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Every graphic results for bars can be shown through Results/Diagrams for bars...

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Artur.Kosakowski
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Hi @david.mackie29GRW 

 

Could you attach a screen capture showing what you mean? The shear forces Fy and FZ for bars are always in force unit (kN) rather than kN/m which seems like value of load instead.

 

 



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david.mackie29GRW
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Hi @Artur.Kosakowski 

Please see attached screenshots.

I'm sure this is straightforward, but I cannot find the menu/button to do this.

For example, I'm expecting the vertical reaction from the end of member 283 will be about 500kN from the worst-case load combination.  How do I display/view this?

 

(I have removed the applied loads from the screenshot which were in kN/m - ignore my comment on this!)

 

Model Overview.JPGmodel with  Fz.JPG

 

 

 


 

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david.mackie29GRW
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Might have figured this out with "detailed analysis".  I'm surprised Fx gives the vertical forces, rather than Fz though.

 

 

bar shear.JPG

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Artur.Kosakowski
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Hi @david.mackie29GRW 

 

Internal forces in bar elements are in their local coordinate systems rather than the global one with the local X being along the bar. Shear forces in bars are FZ and FY respectively. 

 

Mind that for a truss you don't have shear forces in chords as they are distributed to posts and diagonals whereas bending is 'replaced' by tension and compression in these very chords therefore you see FX and very small FZ.

 

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david.mackie29GRW
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Thanks @Artur.Kosakowski,

Understood about the axis, and yes there is very little Fy and Fz in the chords as they are in compression or tension.

To obtain the end reactions from these chord members, is the only way to interrogate the forces in the supporting column or beam?
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Artur.Kosakowski
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Hi @david.mackie29GRW 

 

I'm not sure if I understand what do you need exactly ( I assume it is not FZ value at the end of the bar as you have these values in the Forces table directly). Could you attach a sketch that illustrates your question?



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david.mackie29GRW
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Hi @Artur.Kosakowski,

Yes, it is that simple! 🙂 It is just the shear force at the end of the member I need so I can complete a hand calculation to check the bolted connection.

When I look at the Forces table (taking member 283, at node 272 as an example from above), the max values I am getting for Fz are not what I expect for the shear force.  This should be about 300kN.  Please see image attached.

 

forces.JPG

 

When I look at the supporting column (member 280) this has a 317kN axial force (albeit not all of this will be from member 283).

 

How can I view the end member reactions/shear forces?

 

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Reactions tab on " diagrams for bars..." on Results menu

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david.mackie29GRW
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Hi  

Please see below when I try that...  21.7kN is not the end reaction I need - this should be circa 300kN.

Not sure what I'm doing wrong!

end reactions.JPG

 

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Artur.Kosakowski
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Hi @david.mackie29GRW 

 

How do you calculate FZ force at the chord end (beam vs. truss)?

 

beam vs truss.PNG 

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david.mackie29GRW
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Hi 

 

In the example you show above - I can see how you show reactions at supports.

Also, for simple beams - Fz gives the reaction at the beam end - which makes sense.

 

But this isn't clear for the reaction/shear force at the end of chord of a truss, which in my case is away from the supports.

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Artur.Kosakowski
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Hi @david.mackie29GRW 

 

I set the display in such a way that the diagrams are shown only for selected bars and nodes. If I add posts and diagonals you will see that for the truss the load is distributed to supports via axial loads in posts and diagonals rather than shear in chords.

 

shear vs axial force.PNG 

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