Offsets and compatible nodes

Offsets and compatible nodes

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Offsets and compatible nodes

Anonymous
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Hello,

 

Please see attached file.

 

I have a problem with modelling properly offsets. Basically, this is a small tank supporting frame.

- Tank is supported on 9 beams

- 9 beams are supported on two larger beams

- 2 larger beams are supported over the columns

 

How to model it properly?

 

The bracings are to be bolted in their mid-span. I read some topics and in general it was agreed that this approach is reproduced in a proper manner by compatible nodes (what I applied). Could someone confirm please?

 

Thank you in advance! 

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Artur.Kosakowski
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@Anonymous wrote:

Hello,

 

 

 

I have a problem with modelling properly offsets. Basically, this is a small tank supporting frame.

- Tank is supported on 9 beams

- 9 beams are supported on two larger beams

- 2 larger beams are supported over the columns

 

How to model it properly?

 

If you really need them I suggest using rigid links or short vertical bar elements.

 

The bracings are to be bolted in their mid-span. I read some topics and in general it was agreed that this approach is reproduced in a proper manner by compatible nodes (what I applied). Could someone confirm please?

 

I'd use compatible nodes too.

 

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Anonymous
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Thank you for your answer.

 

I have applied rigid links as you suggested. Could you please have a look whether this is modelled in a proper manner? Unfortunately I got instability issue. Does it come from a significant difference in stiffness of members I used? 

 

In rigid links XXXXXX stands for fixed degrees of freedom in a slave node with reference to the global coordinate system, is it right?

 

When I go into steel design mode, the columns seem to be undersized. I am just wondering whether it comes from the improper design of rigid links or are these members to small to carry assigned load.

 

Kind regards,

J

 

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Could you also help on the following?

 

The bending moment from beams (extreme marked with green) is not transferred to the column? I want to design it as a rigid connection.

 

Thank you again.

 

J

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Artur.Kosakowski
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@Anonymous wrote:

Could you also help on the following?

 

The bending moment from beams (extreme marked with green) is not transferred to the column? I want to design it as a rigid connection.

 

Thank you again.

 

J


I can see that you removed the releases which were excessive in your previous model. The bending is not transferred as you released rotation in the definition of the rigid link. In case you want it to be transferred from the beam to the column you should either block this d.o.f in the definition of the release or just extend the column to the level of the beam removing rigid link with no release defined for the column.

 

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Thank you once more!

 

In the attached model (test6) my problem is that these two alerts are not shown for all angular profiles I defined  but only for a few. I have 16 bars that imitate bracings and would expect to see all of them here?

 

alerts.PNG

 

Now I have a bit different issue. In the next attached model (test7) I can not generate hydrostatic load even though I have added it and is visible in a load table. What might be the problem? In general does this pressure only apply to wall or also to flooring? Or perhaps flooring needs a separate definition?

 

Kind regards,

J

 

 

 

 

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Artur.Kosakowski
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In the attached model (test6) my problem is that these two alerts are not shown for all angular profiles I defined  but only for a few. I have 16 bars that imitate bracings and would expect to see all of them here?

 

alerts.PNG

 

 

The class of the L section depends both on its arms height to thickness ration and stress distribution there. For the upper list the sections meet the class 4 criteria but they were calculated as class 3 as angles of class 4 are not supported in Robot. For the bottom they meet the either class 1 or 2 criteria but they were calculated as class 3 following the indicated recommendations of British NAD for EC3.

 

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Now I have a bit different issue. In the next attached model (test7) I can not generate hydrostatic load even though I have added it and is visible in a load table. What might be the problem? In general does this pressure only apply to wall or also to flooring? Or perhaps flooring needs a separate definition?

 

hydrostatic load.PNG

 

If you find your post answered press the Accept as Solution button please. This will help other users to find solutions much faster. Thank you.



Artur Kosakowski
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