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Mansory muti story

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mjoflor
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Mansory muti story

mjoflor
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Hi i have a multi story building ( 3 levels) in mansory walls, any documentation, example or tutorial , can help me, thanks

 

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Mansory muti story

Hi i have a multi story building ( 3 levels) in mansory walls, any documentation, example or tutorial , can help me, thanks

 

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Artur.Kosakowski
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Artur.Kosakowski
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Neither masonry parameters (orthotropic material properties) nor their design are not supported in the current version of Robot and you have to decide what kind of the simplified approach you would like to use. You can define e.g. the orthotropic thickness reducing the stiffness in the horizontal direction, apply linear releases at the vertical edges so that  the horizontal tension force is not transferred, replacing masonry walls with loads.



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Neither masonry parameters (orthotropic material properties) nor their design are not supported in the current version of Robot and you have to decide what kind of the simplified approach you would like to use. You can define e.g. the orthotropic thickness reducing the stiffness in the horizontal direction, apply linear releases at the vertical edges so that  the horizontal tension force is not transferred, replacing masonry walls with loads.



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mjoflor
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thanks, any example, or tutorial or documentation can help me, ???????

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thanks, any example, or tutorial or documentation can help me, ???????

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mjoflor
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How can i get this:"apply linear releases at the vertical edges so that the horizontal tension force is not transferred, "?????

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How can i get this:"apply linear releases at the vertical edges so that the horizontal tension force is not transferred, "?????

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Tuctas
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 What type of masonry buildings are you refering to? Are you talking about reinforced type (with hollow blocks e.t.c) or about stone masonry buildings?

  Both are intersting (and quite difficult to figure out) issues.. One of the main objective is to take into account the out of plane responce of masonry walls too. I suppose Artur is talking about the first case ("orthotropic naterials"), it will be interesting to see some kind of example about what he proposes.

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 What type of masonry buildings are you refering to? Are you talking about reinforced type (with hollow blocks e.t.c) or about stone masonry buildings?

  Both are intersting (and quite difficult to figure out) issues.. One of the main objective is to take into account the out of plane responce of masonry walls too. I suppose Artur is talking about the first case ("orthotropic naterials"), it will be interesting to see some kind of example about what he proposes.

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Artur.Kosakowski
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Artur.Kosakowski
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@mjoflor wrote:

How can i get this:"apply linear releases at the vertical edges so that the horizontal tension force is not transferred, "?????


See the attached picture.



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@mjoflor wrote:

How can i get this:"apply linear releases at the vertical edges so that the horizontal tension force is not transferred, "?????


See the attached picture.



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Message 7 of 15
mjoflor
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Thanks for all, but I have the next question it´s valid for cortain wall, or only for shell element, i mean the linear releases

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Thanks for all, but I have the next question it´s valid for cortain wall, or only for shell element, i mean the linear releases

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Artur.Kosakowski
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Accepted solution

As the curtain wall panel calculation model means that there is no mesh you cannot apply linear releases. On the other hand such panel (curtain wall) is just intended for load transfer with no structural role in a model.

 

If you find your post answered press the Accept as Solution button please. This will help other users to find solutions much faster. Thank you.

 



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As the curtain wall panel calculation model means that there is no mesh you cannot apply linear releases. On the other hand such panel (curtain wall) is just intended for load transfer with no structural role in a model.

 

If you find your post answered press the Accept as Solution button please. This will help other users to find solutions much faster. Thank you.

 



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HoshangMustafa
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HI

On the other hand such panel (curtain wall) is just intended for load transfer with no structural role in a model.

 

The curtain wall facade does not carry any dead load weight from the building other than its own dead load weight.The wall transfers horizontal wind loads that are incident upon it to the main building structure through connections at floors or columns of the building. A curtain wall is designed to resist air and water infiltration, sway induced by wind and seismic forces acting on the building, and its own dead load weight forces.

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HI

On the other hand such panel (curtain wall) is just intended for load transfer with no structural role in a model.

 

The curtain wall facade does not carry any dead load weight from the building other than its own dead load weight.The wall transfers horizontal wind loads that are incident upon it to the main building structure through connections at floors or columns of the building. A curtain wall is designed to resist air and water infiltration, sway induced by wind and seismic forces acting on the building, and its own dead load weight forces.

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HoshangMustafa
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Hi Artur

 

Please find the attached file. Can you explain the parameters for nonreinforced masonry wall in Orthotropic==> Constant thickness reduced stiffness dialogue box?

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Hi Artur

 

Please find the attached file. Can you explain the parameters for nonreinforced masonry wall in Orthotropic==> Constant thickness reduced stiffness dialogue box?

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HoshangMustafa
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Sorry

 

Please find the attached file.

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Sorry

 

Please find the attached file.

Message 12 of 15

HoshangMustafa
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Hi

 

I guess f is the membrane stiffness and k is the flexural stiffness, but I couldn't find in the help menu these parameters so I wrote this post to be sure of it. What about v parameter?

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Hi

 

I guess f is the membrane stiffness and k is the flexural stiffness, but I couldn't find in the help menu these parameters so I wrote this post to be sure of it. What about v parameter?

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Artur.Kosakowski
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stiff_coeff.PNG

 

If you find your post answered press the Accept as Solution button please. This will help other users to find solutions much faster. Thank you.



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stiff_coeff.PNG

 

If you find your post answered press the Accept as Solution button please. This will help other users to find solutions much faster. Thank you.



Artur Kosakowski
Message 14 of 15

HoshangMustafa
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Hi Artur

 

Thanx u very much. Why aren't these parameters explained in Help menu?

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Hi Artur

 

Thanx u very much. Why aren't these parameters explained in Help menu?

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