Revit can't replace Advance Concrete !

[Anonymous]

Good morning Autodesk Community. I'm from Egypt.I am not fluent in English so excuse me for any linguistic or grammar mistakes. I hope to discuss my issue practically.
As a Structural Engineer involved in Technical Office, Shop-drawings and Tendering issues, i can't understand why did Autodesk stopped releasing "Autodesk Advance Concrete" software ?

It is a very powerful in detailing and shopdrawings.

REVIT is concerned about modeling, scheduling and coordination. It is a BIM software.

It is too complicated and wasting of time to detailing, reinforcing RC sections and creating bar bending schedules with REVIT.

Advance Concrete was doing this more quickly, efficiently and more accurately. It is a detailing software.

[Anonymous]

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[peticid]

Hi Hosam,

For the past couple of years, Autodesk has been investing in the next generation of BIM-centric workflows for structural modeling and detailing. Part of this investment has included improving the reinforcement detailing and shop drawing tools in Revit, which preserves the traditional 2D drafting flexibility and provides 3D representation within a robust modeling environment that integrates with other disciplines using Revit for design.

Another key part of our strategy for reinforced concrete has been to partner with technology partners who have a proven track record in delivering highly localized rebar design to detailing solutions to the concrete industry using traditional 2D CAD platforms, like SOFiSTiK, Graitec, CADS etc. They bring Revit based tools that address local standard requirements, process automation, advanced productivity requirements, and make Revit the best suited BIM authoring solution for reinforced concrete rebar detailing. As the AEC industry adopts BIM, these partners are building on top of Revit so they can provide their customers and future reinforced concrete partners a more collaborative BIM environment. If you’re interested to read more about one workflow that stretches from design across to detailing, you can read this post I wrote some months ago: http://blogs.autodesk.com/bim-and-beam/2018/08/01/bim-for-reinforced-concrete-from-design-to-detaili...

Still, I admit there are gaps we need to fill. So I would like to know which are the tools you miss the most in Revit when it comes to rebar modelling and detailing. I’m really looking forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards,

[Anonymous]

Thanks peticid for your attention .
I have several problems with output process of the detailed drawings .

* The need to model all rebars elements is very exhausting and wasting of time. Why we can't draw reinforcement bars as smart 2D drawings similar to outputs of AutoRebar tool ?

* Sofistik Reinforcement Detailing Add-In is very expensive when you deal with single-user. It is more suitable for large companies that have the ability to pay this.

* The need to buy Plugins and tools to make work easier is a deficiency in the software. Some of these tools ( Detailing tools ) should be built-in REVIT !

[Anonymous]

Please excuse & indulge my little intervention: Concrete works is not all about rebars.

- Automated formwork drawings would be very welcome (especially rebated sections for slabs and beams), just like Advance Concrete did.

- Automated axis grids (with automatic axis labeling: A, B, C, ... , 1, 2, 3, ...) would be incredible useful. (Advance Concrete did that too).

Of course we can do all that with Dynamo,  Sofistik or Graitec extensions, but why? Why do we need extensions for such simple tasks?

(Why lesser software Allplan, Tekla can do all that without any extensions?)

[peticid]

Hi Victor and Hosam,

Thank you both for the extensive feedback that you have shared with us. I fully understand the importance of having all these features available in an easy and consistent manner with the existing ones, for an easy and harmonized experience. We are constantly trying to bring into the product the features that contribute most to structural users, while maintaining a fine balance between the need to have a strong and extensible platform, represented by Revit, and creating features that are more specific to certain workflows or regions.

In order to help us understand the impact of the features mentioned by you on the entire structural community, which consequently helps our prioritization of future improvements, I suggest you to post them as ideas on the Revit Idea station (https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/idb-p/302/label-name/structure).

Kind regards,

[Anonymous]

It's all about monopoly. Autodesk has just destroyed their competition by buying software and then withdraw it - and users familiar to software were just abandoned and can use much worse software (example Advance Concrete -> Revit). I hope that Advance Steel will stay, because without it there's no reason to have AEC collection at all. Revit is not, and will never be as efficient as Advance Steel.

[Anonymous]

I agree  specially when you want your table to have bar symbols and the length of every segment on it

so i need a favor  i need a course for advanced concrete Arabic preferred or English 

Thank you for taking the time 

[Anonymous]

Let's face it: Revit can replace Autocad for sure. Advance Concrete was just a specialized addin for Autocad. Just like there are many addins for Revit (like Graitec, Sofistik, etc). You could never do reinforcements in plain Autocad for a decent manner. You can model reinforcements in Revit quite easy (as of v2020.2). Of course there are limitations, that's why you have to use addins (That's why you have been using Advance Concrete too: limitations). I personally find Sofistik Rebar Detailing greater than Advance Concrete. Does rebar shape detailing with dimensions, rebar schedules with dimensions, european-style dimensioning, etc

[Sandy101]

If what you say is true (Revit can replace autocad, not Advance Concrete), why did you remove Advance Concrete from autocad in the first place? As a user of all three, I can say that so far, revit can't replace advance concrete (tools not complete and presentation too sketchy). All we can say is that Autodesk wants to monopolize the market and deliver a non-complete product to customers.

Original French post translated by a moderator:

Si c'est que vous dîtes est vraie (Revit peut remplacer autocad pas Advance Concrete) pourquoi avoir supprimé Advance Concrete à la place d'autocad alors ?! En tant qu'utilisateur de ces trois logiciels je peut dire que jusque maintenant, revit ne peut pas remplacer advance concret (outils non complets et présentation trop sommaire). Tous ce qu'on cinstate ce qu'Autodesk veut monopoliser et livre aux clients un produit non complet.