Reinforcement plans, rebar presentation and schedule list !

[Anonymous]

Hi,

I am struggling with the problem of rebar/stirrups presentation in shop drawings (reinforcing plans) and scheduling list. I am new in Revit (using version 2018) so could you advice me how to present bars and stirrups in reinforcement plans for construction site and finally how to present them graphically in schedule list.

Also, I didn't succeed to calculate reinforcement weight, is it calculated by Revit automatically or there are some additional parameters to define in Revit for that (or it is impossible, because i didn't notice we can define material of rebar as European steel clas B500B and their mechanical properties in Revit).

An examples of reinforcement detail and schedule list of usually reinforcing plans are given in attachment and this is what I want to look like (or similar).

Additionaly, is there any add-in tools to improve reinforcement detailing in Revit. In Autodesk app store I found only some Sofistik tools, but I am using Robot Structural Analysis. 

By my opinion in reinforcement plan drawings it is normal to present graphically (with schedule plan) complete reinforcement of rebars of the corresponding element (RC beam, column, footing, wall..etc).

Thank you.

Regards

[Ahmed_Muharram]

hi 

first about representation of rebar you can use Partitions and reinforcement no with filters.

1.assign a partition for the rebar according to what you need from proprieties palette.

2.go to reinforcement no options from structural panel.

3. adjust the no of rebars according to the partitions to help you in shop drawing.

4.from visibility/graphic options "VV" on the view add filters to change the colors of rebar according to the partitions .  

do this in all the views or create a view template to make it faster.

[Ahmed_Muharram]

hi again 🙂

second about showing rebar without concrete elements.

you can create a 3D view with the same section and then hide the concrete elements then use displace set to move the rebar away from each others.

you must lock the view and choose a reference plane to activate dim and tags.

use the same way above to change the colors of the rebar.

[Ahmed_Muharram]

third 

the schedules in revit has a good option to add a calculated parameter in it.

 you can add wight as a calculated parameter = reinforcement volume * unit weight 

the reinforcement volume is calculated automatically in revit.

use the parameters in schedules to sort the table as your example. 

[Anonymous]

Hi Ahmed,

I think I already did all you said.  At the end I got 3D view of reinforcement in colors (as I defined for each partitions).

But next step is how to put 2D drawings at sheet with reinforcement shapes as I shown in my example file.

3D view is nice for checking and visualisation, but roughly said it is unusable for construction site and execution.

Regards

[Ahmed_Muharram]

unfortunately revit doesn't covert 3D rebar to 2D you will have to use plugins or do it manually as drafting views 

but you can use displace set to generate this, you will have to add tags and dims manually.

there is some plugins can help for 2D like SOFiSTiK as you said .

about adding the rebar shape to schedules i have seen plugging doing this but i can't remember the name.

you can add it as an image parameter 

[Ahmed_Muharram]

this is the plugin i was talking about 

https://apps.autodesk.com/RVT/en/Detail/Index?id=8972329327921706347&appLang=en&os=Win64

[Anonymous]

Thank you, probably the solution is to pick right add-in.

So the question is definitely:  Which is the best Revit add-in or similar for reinforcement detailing ?

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Personally I don't like third party apps!

Revit is capable of providing good rebar plans.

It could be better and faster but it is with every new release.

[vatamanc7217]

Hi FDC,

can we get a clearer picture of that sheet? Maybe a pdf file of it, it looks very nice and it seems you got farther with Revit only that I thought one might. I am thinking I could get some idea of what can be done with Revit only in terms of reinforcement detailing...

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Two pdf files attached as an example of what can be done in Revit.

No addons, third party apps or whatever.

I installed Sofistik once but I hate 30 day trials (you cannot test a program in 30 days)!

Never used it though because it wasn't compatible with the way I am doing my rebar (didn't get the result I wanted).

After the 30 days the file kept getting an error every time it opened (sofistik app is missing).

Looks very promising and I almost bought it but they switched to a much more expensive subscription at that time which made me decide "no go".

For the moment I am finishing a design that is much more complex than this one.

[Anonymous]

Hi FDC,

this is very nice.

I agree that we shouldn't use thirtd party apps in Revit, but my reinforcement plans allways have rebar shape presentation.

Hope Autodesk will add it in the future. That is not so big task for them ...

Could you please explain me how you added an image (shape of each rebar position) in schedule list. 

Regards

[vatamanc7217]

that looks awesome, thanks for sharing!! I got 10000 questions now :))

the rebar sketches with dimensions within the tags are automated? how did you manage to do that?

 

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Quite easy (annotation family attached, this deserves some kudo's!)

The only problem is that I had to made this kind of family for every bar type and then have to pick the right annotation manually.

Far from ideal but way better than the autocad way.

I hope I will find something better for this.

But I have some deadlines to catch and no time to search on it decently (story of my life).

[-FDC- · Accepted solution]

Also an easy one.

You do this in your rebar Family.

Add a shape image (my images were made in autocad).

Reload the family in your drawing and add the field "shape image" to your schedule.

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Mark

[Anonymous]

How to get that range for detailing rebars by using multi rebar annotations with ends arrow mark and colloids filled dot with rebar