Rebar modelling in Revit - better and faster than 2D or not?

Rebar modelling in Revit - better and faster than 2D or not?

mariusz.boch
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Rebar modelling in Revit - better and faster than 2D or not?

mariusz.boch
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Hi,

I'm wondering what are your thoughts and experience on 3D rebar modelling - does it really help you to produce better drawings and do it faster? Or maybe in your countries some contractors require 3D reinforcement design and they are willing to pay for it more? If so, what are benefits for contractor? Why they require reinforcement to be made in 3D?

 

I'm curious because in my career i haven't met any Investors or general contractors who wanted 3D rebar design. Of course I do use revit for rebar detailing, but sometimes it seems to be worthless - 2D will always be faster...maybe less accurate, but faster.

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ranjithedachery84
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In 3D automatically generating the BBS. It save lots of time and complications. Its very useful for huge projects. 

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gareth.spencer1
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Hi @mariusz.boch,

 

I cannot comment for everyone across the global but here in the UK detailing reinforcement in your 3D Revit model has gone from strength to strength. I ran a class at AU Las Vegas back in 2015 Should We Move from 2D Detailing to 3D Detailing for Reinforcement Detailing?  and although the tools were there in Revit it still could not be used to detail rebar to the UK/EU standards.

 

If you think may companies are building Revit models for the project, it would be wasting time to create and then export 2D drawings/view to then populate 2D rebar drawings and schedules either in AutoCAD manually or with a 3rd party add-on. Then if there are any changes you will need to update the model/drawings and re-export to then update the rebar.

 

So, if you are building your model in Revit and then add the rebar to the model when it changes let’s say the size of the beam the rebar should update automatically. Ok if you remove something with the rebar in your going to need to add the rebar again, but it can be done quickly.

 

Before starting any detailing there are a few things you will need to do first. That will be setting your company template with all the detailing settings, views, schedule, etc you will need. You may pick it up easily by figuring it outlive on the job, but I would always advise getting some formal training to understand how to detail in Revit. It will be good money well spent. There are a number of 3rd party add-ons for Revit to assist with detail in Revit like SOFiSTiK Reinforcement Detailing. (there are others available).

 

Some of the major benefits are you can coordinate the rebar with other elements which may be built or installed in, around and through the concrete. Think about the drainage pipes running through a slab or builders works through walls to name a few. You can also run clashes against other cages or generally anything else on the project. This will save time, cost and rework if its only found on site. Finally, the contractor can use it on-site to help with the program and installation scheduling.

 

I hope this helps

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Gareth Spencer
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mariusz.boch
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Hi @gareth.spencer1 ,

Really thanks for your post, I haven't expected such a long and complex answer :)) One important thing I haven't said before - I'm not wondering if it's good idea to switch from 2D to 3D with my rebar detailing. I've been using Revit for years, and I can see a lot of benefits and pros in comparison to AutoCAD. The problem is that I still can't say that the whole process of rebar detailing is faster than in 2D...More accurate, more convenient, implementing any changes is much easier, but still - doing it in AutoCAD with addons is, in my opinion, little bit faster - even when we export views from Revit model.

So in our company, when we prepare rebar shop drawings in Revit, it is only our choice. Our clients haven't ever asked for BIM model containing reinforcement, the final product are always 2D drawings. This is the reason why I'm asking Autodesk Community about their feelings on this topic. The problem is that there are a lot of articles and tutorials but none of them 'touches' real projects which had been designed, checked and built. This lack of 'case studies' makes me feel that 3D/BIM Rebar Design is maybe needed more by software companies than by constructions industry.

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ahjorn
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Rebar modelling in Revit really has come a long long way. To keep it short, yes I believe it is better.

@gareth.spencer1 summed it up perfectly.

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Anonymous
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I'm a bridge 3D modeler.

I did try the Revit reo for some post tension Girder. It basically ok but it is time consume because.

1. with the free form reo it is difficult to place and adjust. in some situation you can't apply the free form reo.

2. in revit 2021 you can locally displace the bar in the normal bar placing (not free form) but can't do the fanned bar

3. placing the bar follow curve and variable length is very limit with free form bar and you can't locally displace the bar.

 

I hope Revit will getting to 3D reo. After few project with 3D reo. it is very useful for complex geometry structure like post tension structure.

   

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mohamed.ahmed5MBHC
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Are add-inns worth it? They're very expensive and feel like selling sand in Sahara!

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semi
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Rebar modelling in Revit without plug-ins is a pain in the ass. 
When the geometry gets too complex, Revit will always fail.

When I would compare into making rebar details in Autodesk Structural Detailing vs Revit for a basement, ASD will always win.

I can make all the details and plans in half a day, whilst in Revit this would take me 2 days.

Simple example: in Revit for a project with basement walls (let's say 10 walls) u need to model EVERY rebar in every wall and make 10 sections to show each different length of the rebars per wall, because the contractor needs to see where every rebar goes into which wall.

In ASD, u can simply make 1 detail with one rebar and give it a total length with the perimeter of all the basement walls and say divide this rebar in total over every wall.

This is just an example, but there are much more problems.

Another example: When I model connecting rebars between 2 beams, I can see these newly modelled rebars in sections of my beams, which I don't want to see. So each time I need to filter them out of my views.

Revit just takes tremendous amount of time to clean up your layouts.

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offshoreoutsourcingind
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Hi there,

I appreciate your question about 3D rebar modeling! In my experience, while2D detailing may seem faster, 3D modeling offers significant benefits that can enhance project efficiency.

  1. Clash Detection: 3D models help identify conflicts early, reducing costly rework.
  2. Enhanced Accuracy: They provide precise dimensions and placements, crucial for structural integrity.
  3. Improved Communication: 3D visuals facilitate better understanding among stakeholders.
  4. Contractor Requirements: Some contractors value 3D reinforcement design for its ability to minimize errors and improve coordination.
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SG-T
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No it doesn't,
Clash detection, enhancements, communications and contractor requirements only work for the big, large projects where everyone works with a developed system.
Small projects will always prefer a faster and cheaper solution.
Why would a client want to pay for 3D rebar modelling for a house not even worth the time it would take to create a correct and beautful 3D project which took time and money, while you could the same thing in 2D which would take half the time and half the money?

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steinryan28
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Yes, rebar modeling in Revit is significantly faster and more accurate than 2D drafting—especially for complex geometries. It not only ensures constructibility but also integrates smoothly with clash detection.

In one high-rise project, using Revit for rebar modeling reduced RFI-generated rework by 50%.

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semi
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ok, you tell me how you will reinforce 50 foundation walls with different wall thicknesses varying from 30-40-50cm?

In 2D u can simply make 3 principle details:

- 1 detail over wall thickness 30 and all wall lengths of 30 summed up together and their stirrups

- 1 detail over wall thickness 40 ...

- 1 detail over wall thickness 50 ...

 

THen u need to show every unique wall corner detail principle

 

In Revit u need to make a SECTION over every of those 50 walls (every single one of them) to show the contractor what the bar lengths will be over every wall and how many stirrups are in those walls.

 

So for 3 principle details and the corners It takes about 2hrs to progress, while in Revit u need a whole day to model the rebars in every 50 walls and another hole day to make 100 sections of the top of the wall and the foot of the wall and detail EVERY rebar in EVERY section.

 

Now tell me how is that progress?

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steinryan28
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You’ve raised a valid point if the scope is limited to a few foundation walls, then 2D detailing may appear faster because you can reuse principle details. However, the strength of Revit rebar modeling becomes clear at project scale and in coordination.

With Revit, once you set up rebar shapes, cover settings, and rebar constraints, you can use parametric families and rebar sets. Instead of modeling each wall separately, you can automate placement by applying rules, duplication, or Dynamo scripts — this way 50 walls don’t mean 50 times the work.

The advantage is that every rebar is not only drawn but also counted, scheduled, and checked for clashes automatically. This eliminates quantity takeoff errors and reduces site issues.

In our high-rise project example, the upfront modeling took more time than 2D drafting, but the payback was huge: automatic bar bending schedules, error-free coordination with MEP/structural elements, and a significant cut in RFIs.

So while 2D is faster in drafting simple walls, Revit rebar is more reliable, scalable, and integrated especially on large or complex projects.

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semi
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I want to see this in practice. In our template rebar constraints, shapes, covers are also set with BBS schedules.

Show me a case in where u use all your parametric families and rebar sets and model 50 wall reinforcements at once... only then will I be convinced. 

And detailed as well on sheets.

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mariusz.boch
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It's quite funny that it's been more than 4 years since I started this thread and we still can't agree on wich approach makes more sense. Here are my thoughts based on years spent developing RC workflows in Revit/Dynamo:

- it takes time to switch from 2D to 3D and even more time to make your RC 'BIM friendly' - I mean proper IFC export structure, working with parameters and being able to modify them easily using schedules and Dynamo. But once you get to that point you can work as fast as with 2D tools, but delivering a better final product.

- most people don't like RC in revit because of some limitations in Rebar Detailing, but huge progress has been made in that area, compering R2026 to R2016, especially version R2024 introduced some long-awaited features like bending details in schedules and drawings. On the other hand there are more and more contractors which can do without drawing - with IFC models and schedules only (and they seem to like it). In this case 3D RC modeling is even faster than 2D.

- as I mentioned before - D ynamo is a real game changer here - you can design your custom-made workflows and make the whole tedious process half-automatic. But again - it takes time and patience.

- Working with more complex geometry is terrible - spiral stairs, slopes, curves...Revit is still extremely limited here - those free-form bars look cool in the marketing videos, but once you place them you can't edit and adjust them easily. The same for varing rebar sets...

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lprietoUKTHB
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Are there any Add-ons or Dynamo scripts you would recommend to replicate rebar arrangements into multiple hosts with just one click? This would save a LOT of time

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silicongcc6BLGX
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3D rebar modeling adds value in clash detection and accuracy. While 2D may be quicker, contractors benefit from fewer errors, better coordination, and improved visualization.

 
 
 
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siliconecengineeringuk
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Rebar modelling in Revit is more accurate and efficient for large or complex projects. It allows automatic generation of schedules, clash detection, and easier revisions. Revit’s 3D environment ensures better coordination between structure, architecture, and MEP, reducing errors on site. However, for smaller jobs or teams with limited BIM experience, 2D drafting can still be faster and more practical. Revit also requires upfront investment in training, templates, and workflow setup. Overall, while 2D is still useful, especially for basic detailing, Revit offers long-term advantages in quality and efficiency, making it a better choice for modern construction workflows.

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