Flip Structural Framing Ends

[SerhanB]

The "Flip Structural Framing Ends" tool mentioned in help docs of previous versions seems to be removed in Revit 2017. Is this the case or am I missing smth.? 

2017

Thanks

[ElrinaM]

Hi SheranB

What element do have selected? 

That option is available in both Revit 2017 and Revit 2018 

I have selected FRAMING elements in my model to find this option on the Right-click menu.

Remember that Structural columns do not fall in the Structural Framing category and therefor will not have this option available on the right-click menu.

[SerhanB]

Hi elrina,

I'm also selecting str. framing. but the option is not there... Version 2017.2. Is it tied to an add-in or an extension?

[ToanDN]

It is still there for me - 2017.2

[ElrinaM]

Hi

It seems like this option is only available for Steel members:

I will do some more investigation.

[ElrinaM]

It seems that this option somehow fell away for concrete elements from Revit 2016. Previously it was available.

[SerhanB]

I wish that it becomes available for 2017 with an update, I'll definitely make use of that feature.

[Karol_Piroska]

as far as I know this has been available only for steel members and not for concrete ones. Concrete members behave different way and have different options than steel so this option is not available. It would be useful to have cutbacks, beam joins etc for concrete indeed. 

[SerhanB]

While using beam annotation tool to tag beam marks dimensions etc. start end orientation of str. framing comes into play. If your beams are modeled random in direction (right to left or vice versa) you end up with mixed locations of annotation elements. Again if you modeled your beams by picking lines from a cad underlay you are also bound to the line orientation of the source file. 

Furthermore when sending to analysis software (ie. Robot) you can not control the start end orientation and you have to work your way out while interpreting results and go figure which end is which.

It should have been easier for concrete frames to flip ends since nothing changes but a sole internal notation of orientation. It would come very handy if we had this feature for concrete beams as well. 

Thanks to everyone for their valuable inputs!

Do I need to raise an "Idea" for this wish or relevant folks do hear me out?

[ToanDN]

Perhaps edit the family and change the Material for model behavior to Steel anything other than Concrete, then you can flip the darn thing like no tomorrow.

Disclaimer:  I am no structural engineer.

[ElrinaM]

Hi ToanDN.

That is very interesting. As soon as i changed the material in the beam family to Precast Contcrete, the Filp option was available on the rightclick menu in the project.
The material can then be changed back to concrete on the element properties in the project and the option will still be available.

Thank you for the tip.

[Karol_Piroska]

even the beam join is available and you can achieve a sharp corner.