Receptacle Sizes

[coreeQ9QY4]

I would like the receptacle, at 1/4"=1'-0" on the view scale, to be exactly 6" in diameter and the total length to be 9". When I measure with the tool, I can't snap to it, but it is somewhere around 5 and something inches. When I change the view scale to 1/8"=1'-0", I would like for it to exactly double in size to 12" diameter and similarly with all the other scales (1.333*actual floor plan size from 1/4"=1'-0" to 3/16"=1'-0" and so forth). I believe it currently already does this, but just not in the initial size that I would like.

Is there any way I can do this if I were to go in and update the family? I am using Revit's default receptacles. If I go in to the nested family, shown as "Duplex Annotation" on the file, the actual receptacle diameter is at 7/64" which obviously is very small. 

Where do I even begin to edit these families to have it represented on the floor plan with exact sizes that I would prefer.

[RSomppi]

You are already on the right track. Many use the OOTB families and edit them to suit their needs. Do not overwrite these files. Use a naming convention that indicates them as custom families so that they don't get confused with the OOTB families.

The anotation symbol in the nested family is at 1:1 scale. Do the math from your desired size at scale, i.e. 6"/48=1/4" diameter (1/4"=1'-0", 1/4"=12", 1"=48") is the size of the circle at 1:1 scale.

[coreeQ9QY4]

Thank you for the quick response. I will give this a try. 

I also had a semi related follow up question if you would be able to answer. When I open up the family file, there is a random rectangular block that the "3D" receptacle is attached to. I assume this represents a wall that it is attaching to, however, the size of it seems arbitrary. Is this simply an arbitrary feature in the family? Sorry, I am new to Revit and there are several aspects of these families that are quite confusing.

[curtisridenour]

yes that is the face or the wall based family default hosting element. you can ignore it for all intents and purposes.

[curtisridenour]

or you could have Revit do the math for you. just be careful. trying to make an Annotation be fit a scale can be a fools errand if you have more than one drawing scale. 

[RSomppi]

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@curtisridenour wrote:

trying to make an Annotation be fit a scale can be a fools errand if you have more than one drawing scale. 

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Hardly. This is what annotations do, change size according to scale. Fairly basic, really.

[curtisridenour]

@RSomppi maybe you misunderstood. If you want the annotation to look 6" in diameter (as the OP was talking about) using an annotation will not work if you have more than one drawing scale.

Annotations do not change size ever. They print the same no matter what the scale. They are not the same size relative to the rest of the drawing which are almost always drawn to scale.

[curtisridenour]

[RSomppi]

The topic of discussion is annotation symbols that do not change printed sizes any scale. The sizes mentioned by the OP correspond with the measured height in a model view. Quran simple really..

don’t know why you’re talking about non-annotation symbols like those used for lighting and panels. Which are still easy to do, by the way.

[curtisridenour]

"(1.333*actual floor plan size from 1/4"=1'-0" to 3/16"=1'-0" and so forth)." was the part that got my ears burning. Trying to make an annotation 1.333 times the actual size sounds like a Detail Item not an Annotation.

One can scale an annotation to any size but it can only be done once. Annotations are the same size on the sheet regardless of scale. If the OP is looking to have an annotation be 1.333 times the size of the actual physical element, using a Detail Item is the way to go.

And yes, Detail Items are not hard, but they are a different tool. I wanted to ensure that the OP knew which tool was the correct tool for the intended job.

If you want something to be relative in size to the scale of the drawing, use a Detail Item.

If you want something to be the same size regardless of the scale of the drawing (or incorporate text), use an Annotation.

[RSomppi]

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@curtisridenour wrote:
"(1.333*actual floor plan size from 1/4"=1'-0" to 3/16"=1'-0" and so forth)." was the part that got my ears burning. 

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The math is correct. It is a direct ratio to get the same printed symbol size as the other scales. The OP needs only to adjust the annotation symbol to be the actual printed size at a sclae of 1:1, which is what I was trying to say in my first responce.

Why would your ears burn?