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family not allowing section box to work properly

DJSCRIPTS
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family not allowing section box to work properly

DJSCRIPTS
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Hello,

 

My section box wont wrap around my family in a neat fashion like it usually does. please see attached image.  What is the reason? Thanks,

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RobDraw
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Do you mean "selection box"?

 

It works fine here.


Rob

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DJSCRIPTS
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Hey there. No, i mean section box. A 3D section box. 

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RobDraw
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How are you applying it? Selection box command?


Rob

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DJSCRIPTS
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yes, with a section box command using auto section box addin

 

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RobDraw
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I said selection box as that is how I would create a section box that would "wrap around my family in a neat fashion" and it does when I insert your family into a fresh project.

 

I'm not familiar with that add-in, nor am I interested ATM. Good luck.


Rob

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DJSCRIPTS
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Yes, I know what the section box tool is. The one that is in revit currently was actually developed because of the the popularity of Autosection box addin. I believe I remember reading it was the most popular revit addin of all time somewhere. I am surprised you have never heard of it, its on the front page of the Exchange website under most popular addins. Autosection box actually pre-dates the section box tool in revit. but it calls the same command. It just gives you control over how far of a perimeter you want around the elements you have selected whereas the Revit one does not. But they behave the same otherwise. I get the same result either way. 

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RobDraw
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@DJSCRIPTS wrote:

Yes, I know what the section box tool is.


 

I said "seLection" box.

 


@DJSCRIPTS wrote:

Autosection box addin. I believe I remember reading it was the most popular revit addin of all time somewhere. I am surprised you have never heard of it.


 

There are a lot of things that I haven't heard of. What makes you think I should be aware of it?

 


@DJSCRIPTS wrote:

I get the same result either way. 


 

It's not the family as it works as expected for me. Did you test it in a fresh project? Did you test it without the add-in?


Rob

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DJSCRIPTS
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@RobDraw wrote:

I said "seLection" box.

Yes, I know you said "seLection" box. But as I told you above, I am not talking about a "seLection box". To reiterate, nothing I am doing has anything to do with a "seLection box".  I corrected you on that above. Please forget about the "seLection box". It was only proposed by you, and has absolutely nothing to do with this topic. -->My section box is not working for this family.

 


@RobDraw wrote:

 

There are a lot of things that I haven't heard of. What makes you think I should be aware of it?

 

Yes I believe this. I just meant that I was surprised because I've never met a Revit user that hasn't heard of Autosection box. And I was just surprised you haven't heard of the most popular addin of all time, meaning most revit {addin} users have heard of it. Nothing more. 

 



@RobDraw wrote:

It's not the family as it works as expected for me. 


 

It is unclear if you and I are even talking about the same thing. I have no idea what you were "expecting"


 



@RobDraw wrote:

Did you test it in a fresh project? 

Yes.

 


@RobDraw wrote:
Did you test it without the add-in?

 

Yes as I already stated above, "I get the same result either way." Meaning: I tried it with Autosection box, and I tried it without the Autosection box addin (by using Revit's built in section box tool), it doesn't work either way. In this project nor a brand new one. Therefore, there is a problem with the family. 

Thanks


 

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RobDraw
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@DJSCRIPTS wrote:

 

Yes as I already stated above, "I get the same result either way." Meaning: I tried it with Autosection box, and I tried it without the Autosection box addin (by using Revit's built in section box tool), it doesn't work either way. In this project nor a brand new one. Therefore, there is a problem with the family. 

 


 

Maybe you don't realize why I am focusing in the way that you are creating the section box. When I create a new project and create a section box with the selection box tool, the result is as expected, the extents of the family. This means to me that the problem is not in the family, otherwise, I would get a similar result as you. 

 

What is different about your situation? Autoselection box add-in, maybe the problem is the way that particular family interacts with the add-in. As I test, I would remove the add-in. Create a new project and test.


Rob

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DJSCRIPTS
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@RobDraw wrote:

@DJSCRIPTS wrote:

 

Yes as I already stated above, "I get the same result either way." Meaning: I tried it with Autosection box, and I tried it without the Autosection box addin (by using Revit's built in section box tool), it doesn't work either way. In this project nor a brand new one. Therefore, there is a problem with the family. 

 


 

Maybe you don't realize why I am focusing in the way that you are creating the section box. When I create a new project and create a section box with the selection box tool, the result is as expected, the extents of the family. This means to me that the problem is not in the family, otherwise, I would get a similar result as you. 

 

What is different about your situation? Autoselection box add-in, maybe the problem is the way that particular family interacts with the add-in. As I test, I would remove the add-in. Create a new project and test.



Hi, yes I know exactly why you are focusing on the way i am creating the section box, but you are stuck on assuming too much and you don't seem to be reading my replies. You are quoting me but not reading what I wright. As I already said in my quote above that you quoted: " tried it with Autosection box, and I tried it without the Autosection box addin (by using Revit's built in section box tool), "... meaning i tried it both ways. You really think that an addin is going to change the way a hard-wired Revit command is going to work? No. So uninstalling the addin wont do anything to solve the problem. Have you made sure that you have all model elements and annotation elements turned on in your views when you create your section box? Because I do, and it doesnt work. 

To make it even more clear to you look at the attached pictures. This is how I create an auto section box in "Capture" and in "Capture1" is how I make the section box. Neither one work.

 

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ToanDN
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Tighten up your reference planes extent in the family then the section (or selection, whatever) box will crop as desired in project.

 

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RobDraw
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@DJSCRIPTS wrote:



To make it even more clear to you look at the attached pictures. This is how I create an auto section box in "Capture" and in "Capture1" is how I make the section box. Neither one work.

 


 

Your second screen shot is Revit's seLection box tool. You were confusing matters by continually calling it the section box tool, even "correcting" me when I asked if you were using the selection box tool in your second post. I couldn't find a section box tool and actually thought I was missing something because of your incorrect terminology, TYVM.

 

And, yes, add-ins can change the way Revit behaves. That's why I suggested uninstalling it just to rule out the possibility, not that I thought it would be the cause but it does need to be verified.

 

Good luck!

 

 


Rob

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DJSCRIPTS
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I tightened up my reference planes and it did help a little bit. the section box is now at least smaller. But there appears to be something that is missing. See attached. this is the size of the section box that mine is creating for the same family. Are you sure you have all your model and annotation elements turned on in your view? Are the light switches turned on in your family? Thanks!

 

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Kelsey.S
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Hi @DJSCRIPTS,

 

It sounds like for this workflow, you're using the COINS Auto-Section Box add-in. Is that right?
 
If that is the case, I would recommend shooting a note to Coins support. They would be glad to help you out!
 
Cust. Support:
 
Please mark any posts that help with "Accept as Solution" and thanks.
 


Kelsey Skaug
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ToanDN
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I turned on everything with a clickable checkbox.

 

Annotation 2019-06-11 155701.pngAnnotation 2019-06-11 155713.png

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DJSCRIPTS
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Ok, two things, did you turn everything on in the visibility graphics menu as well? Also, I shouldve mentioned that I am in Revit 2018.3. I see you are in Revit 2019.

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Kelsey.S
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Hi @DJSCRIPTS,

 

I was following up to see if you got your questioned answered. If not, have you had a chance to reach out to COINS support to see if they can help?

 

Please mark any posts that help with "Accept as Solution" and thanks.

 



Kelsey Skaug
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fabiosato
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Hello,

 

I found out why it is happening, whenever you have nested families inside a host family, those elements are considered by Revit to be placed at the origin point, so when you create a section box it will include the position of the origin.

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DJSCRIPTS
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yeah I know, but I cant figure out which family is doing it. Did you find it? 

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We use Bing to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Bing. Ads are based on both Bing data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Bing has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Bing to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Bing Privacy Policy
G2Crowd
We use G2Crowd to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by G2Crowd. Ads are based on both G2Crowd data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that G2Crowd has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to G2Crowd to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. G2Crowd Privacy Policy
NMPI Display
We use NMPI Display to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by NMPI Display. Ads are based on both NMPI Display data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that NMPI Display has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to NMPI Display to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. NMPI Display Privacy Policy
VK
We use VK to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by VK. Ads are based on both VK data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that VK has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to VK to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. VK Privacy Policy
Adobe Target
We use Adobe Target to test new features on our sites and customize your experience of these features. To do this, we collect behavioral data while you’re on our sites. This data may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, your IP address or device ID, your Autodesk ID, and others. You may experience a different version of our sites based on feature testing, or view personalized content based on your visitor attributes. Adobe Target Privacy Policy
Google Analytics (Advertising)
We use Google Analytics (Advertising) to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Google Analytics (Advertising). Ads are based on both Google Analytics (Advertising) data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Google Analytics (Advertising) has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Google Analytics (Advertising) to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Google Analytics (Advertising) Privacy Policy
Trendkite
We use Trendkite to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Trendkite. Ads are based on both Trendkite data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Trendkite has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Trendkite to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Trendkite Privacy Policy
Hotjar
We use Hotjar to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Hotjar. Ads are based on both Hotjar data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Hotjar has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Hotjar to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Hotjar Privacy Policy
6 Sense
We use 6 Sense to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by 6 Sense. Ads are based on both 6 Sense data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that 6 Sense has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to 6 Sense to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. 6 Sense Privacy Policy
Terminus
We use Terminus to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Terminus. Ads are based on both Terminus data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Terminus has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Terminus to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Terminus Privacy Policy
StackAdapt
We use StackAdapt to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by StackAdapt. Ads are based on both StackAdapt data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that StackAdapt has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to StackAdapt to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. StackAdapt Privacy Policy
The Trade Desk
We use The Trade Desk to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by The Trade Desk. Ads are based on both The Trade Desk data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that The Trade Desk has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to The Trade Desk to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. The Trade Desk Privacy Policy
RollWorks
We use RollWorks to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by RollWorks. Ads are based on both RollWorks data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that RollWorks has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to RollWorks to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. RollWorks Privacy Policy

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