While in design options - ability to match 2D properties, ability to align 2D

[narlee]

Does anyone know how, while in design options, to match 2D properties and to align 2D elements? It seems like a gross oversight, unless I'm missing something.

Thx,

Geof Narlee

[RobDraw]

It would be helpful if you describe what you are trying to accomplish without the commentary.

[barthbradley]

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@narlee wrote:

Does anyone know how, while in design options, to match 2D properties and to align 2D elements? It seems like a gross oversight, unless I'm missing something.

Thx,

Geof Narlee

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I typically assume "loose nut behind the keyboard" before jumping to "gross oversight".   I'm betting you're missing something. Tell us more about what you trying to do.  It's not clear.    

[narlee]

If one is in a design option, you cannot match 2D properties (like text or detail lines), or align 2D items (like aligning detail lines). Curiously, I can offset 2D detail lines. So, I find myself constantly jumping in & out of a design option.

[barthbradley]

You  need to set up dedicated Views when using Design Options. Annotative elements are not part of the Design Option itself.  Annotative elements are View Specific.  Understand? 

[barthbradley]

See #6:

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2017/EN...

and:

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2017/EN...

[narlee]

Hi,

I'm aware of how to use design options. Regardless, I cannot operate on the 2D items I mentioned the way I can when NOT in the design option.

Thanks anyway,

Geof

[barthbradley]

So here's where I'm confused. You are talking about 2D elements and being frustrated that you have to keep "jumping in & out of Design Options".  What are these 2D View-Specific elements that you are trying to place in a View that are needing to reference Model elements that are NOT in the View?  The only thing I can think of, is that you are maybe trying to reference/represent another Design Option element. Like maybe drawing dashed lines to represent where a wall is located in another DO, but that wouldn't require any "jumping" around.  

Can you provide some more specifics about what you are doing? Perhaps we can offer you a better way to do it.  

[narlee]

Hi BarthBradley,

Attached please find what I was trying to convey.

THX,

Geof Narlee

[martijn_pater]

Not sure what you are trying to do, I couldn't open the file. But you can sometimes align 2D elements when grouped...? Hope that helps...

[narlee]

Attached .jpeg (with a couple additional items). Just things that would be time savers when working in options.

[martijn_pater]

Bit different question then I thought it appears. But the annotations are view-specific ie. you set a view to design option 1 you have your annotations in this view and option base in another. Basically you don't annotate within the design option really...  That said, you can do some of the things you mentioned by selecting main model and unticking "Exclude options" at the bottom with option in question selected ie. through visibility graphics.

[narlee]

Yeah, it's the whole jump in & out of Main that I was hoping to avoid 🙂

Thanks!

[barthbradley]

Here's what I think you are missing. Are you setting up Dedicated Design Option Views?  There is no Design Option Workflow without Dedicated Views.  

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2018/EN...

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2018/EN...

Bottom Line: You don't have to keep "jumping in & out of Design Options".   Just Annotate your Dedicated Design Option Views exactly the way you would Annotate any Views an Revit.   

[martijn_pater]

Fancy..."Dedicated Design Option view" ^^... but that's pretty much what I meant with "option selected through visibility graphics". But still, if you just adjust the workflow to work from the main model in this design option view with "Exclude opion" unticked when needed, you can align your lines and match dimensions/text types etc as usual.

[narlee]

Thanks, Gents. I'm aware of that stuff. What I've been trying to do is, while IN a design option, is to modify the 2D elements in the ways in which they can't seem to be modified while IN a design option. 

Thanks for your efforts to help me!

[barthbradley]

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@narlee wrote:

Thanks, Gents. I'm aware of that stuff. What I've been trying to do is, while IN a design option, is to modify the 2D elements in the ways in which they can't seem to be modified while IN a design option. 

Thanks for your efforts to help me

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When you are IN a dedicated design option view, you are IN a design option.  Additionally, 2D ELEMENTS are view-specific elements.  2D Elements CANNOT exist in a Design Option.   

[martijn_pater]

@narlee So your answer is no, what you're trying to do is not possible and not how it's meant to be done. Adjust your workflow accordingly. The design option is for model elements, specific views that show this option are for annotations. Annotations can't belong to the option, you can not add them to the option. While IN the option, you're in a different environment alltogether. You annotate in a main model view with option selected through VG. For showing a different option you copy the view without annotations and set the other option with VG. If you want to modify both in the same view you can untick "Exclude options" at the bottom of your screen. Not much more to be said really. But ofcourse, feel free to post something on Idea forum if you feel it can be improved somehow.