Where do you draw your details?

[peterK93BS]

I'm wondering whether people use Revit detail views, Revit drafting views, or AutoCAD to detail. The biggest bonus to Revit is that it updates things automatically but it such a poor understanding of the things it's showing that it often just becomes a hassle. For example, floors not only are essentially just consistent extrusions of the same section but they also put their hatches over top of structural members which leads to a mess only really fixable by pasting a detail item of the beam over the beam that already exists. It looks bad enough in a section but in a detail it's simply worthless.

Here's an example of the floor issue. If you show the real floor it's just a mess. I had to make a detail item with a mask where the steel plate turns upward. The panels that actually fit between the beams also don't show up properly. Also bear with me, some of my rage is because I'm coming into the project after someone with incredibly limited experience has done the work up until now.

I saw one person on a different website off-handedly saying that they draw over the model in a detail view and then turn it off so only their detail lines remain. Is that a common way to be able to go in and just snap detail items and lines to relocated/changed elements? It seems that would be fastest, but it feels wrong and clunky for something like this.

Insight would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Peter

[barthbradley]

I'm not clear on what you are asking or describing through that example, but we do Details in Revit - not AutoCAD.  

Maybe if you can post some screenshots, that would help us to help you.  

[peterK93BS]

I edited the original post.

[Alfredo_Medina]

But Revit provides methods to create slab edges, so there is no excuse for not modeling them. If you model a slab on grade, for example, as a flat solid with nothing else, when you go to a section, you're going to see a simple rectangle. So,  spend some time modeling all those important conditions. When you go to that section, add other things that can be detail items such as anchor bolts, wire mesh, miscellaneous steel angles, etc.

[peterK93BS]

This is true. I hadn't considered making the steel checker plate into a slab instead of a floor assembly.

It doesn't fix many of the other things are really get to the question I'm asking but it is an interesting way to try to make that work. I don't love it, but it could be useful.

[barthbradley]

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@peterK93BS wrote:

If you show the real floor it's just a mess. 

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What does this mean?  "If you show the real floor it's just a mess".

[yes_and_no]

Where to draw details in Rv ?

Depends on your team capacity and your company practice. But they end up in detail sheets, per AIA standard, if you are doing architecture.

Your complaint of floor section overriding structure members rests on yr VG settings.

Either it s piece of art or a mess is up to you to work on.

What I love about Rv is it only takes less than 10 seconds to cut a section and see what s going on. In your case, at least you can see a mess and s up to you to correct or refine it.

[ToanDN · Accepted solution]

My models are pretty precise dimensionally so I can create detail views from the model (model display set to halftone) and overlay detail components etc based on the geometry. When done, I set the model display to not display so only detail items and annotations are left in the view for printing.

[Karol_Piroska · Accepted solution]

I work with many companies and there is no simple answer. It is a mix of Autocad details, drafting views and edited details/sections. 

Obviously, if you use the first two (as many companies surprisingly do way too often), it may then not match with the revit file - especially when things change and the details are left behind. And to be honest I get this way too many times - I get the Revit file and PDFs; and they don't match. (The client usually thinks how great job the company done having all these fancy details in 3D lol). I'd use drafting views and Autocad details for typical details only.

Editing the actual detail/section is not that difficult - cut profile, masking regions with outlines locked to revit elements, some simple detail families you can place into the details, hide or turn off elements you dont want to see in the detail etc.