Hi, all.
I'm updating my firm's Template and looking for a better way to number our sheets.
Our main problem is that most brazilian City Halls and other public agencies require all sheets to have standard numbers (i.e: 01/17) and that is an issue when organizing the project. We often need several batches of 01, 02, 03[...] pages, which creates a chance for errors with manual filling of parameters, such as a custom "Sheet_Number" parameter.
The Alt+157 method on the native "Sheet Number" creates squares when printing the sheets where the blanks are, and is awful for management, since you can't know which titles have one, or two, or whatever many blank characters.
My question is, how do you handle (or would) something like this?
My goal is to find the sweet spot between browser/project organization and task automation, without creating room for human error.
Cheers.
I've seen this exact article, and it is a great idea when it comes to the browser organization. The problem is we would need to rely on a custom parameter for the printed number (because here, we can't have an "A104" sheet, it is mandatory to be only numbers, as I mentioned on the original post.
What I want is the best of both worlds, where I can have the "A303" and "S102" for the project, but also have the "01/17", "02/17" and so on for printing.
All that as dumb-proof as possible.
I know I'll probably need to compromise at one side, so any advices and experiences are appreciated.
@pedruccioli wrote:
I've seen this exact article, and it is a great idea when it comes to the browser organization. The problem is we would need to rely on a custom parameter for the printed number (because here, we can't have an "A104" sheet, it is mandatory to be only numbers, as I mentioned on the original post.
What I want is the best of both worlds, where I can have the "A303" and "S102" for the project, but also have the "01/17", "02/17" and so on for printing.
All that as dumb-proof as possible.
I know I'll probably need to compromise at one side, so any advices and experiences are appreciated.
Are you saying the sheet number on sheet A303 needs to be printed as 01/17 and so on? Are your detail still referencing A303 or 01/17?
Duplicate views as dependents for the duplicate sheets with different numbers.
Explain more... do you just need to deal with sheetnumbers, or view numbers as well? How do you have to reference views?
Do normal projects allow the typical A100 sheet numbering and is this just a government requirement? What are the rules if you add a sheet between 11 and 12? Do you rename all the ones after? Could you have 2 sheet numbers on a sheet, one for normal people, and one just for the bureaucrats? Like number the sheets the normal way, and then add a parameter to satisfy the government requirement.
Too little detail in your posts.
Ok, that's tricky. I would need it to reference the printed number. But then, even with an adequate shared paremeter, I would need to filter multiple sections depending on the printing pack they are in, and that's another set of custom parameters, right?
I suggest this:
- Use Sheet Title for printed Sheet Number, i.e. 01/17, 02/17 (sheet title can be the same for multiple sheets)
- Use Sheet Number for browser's Sheet Number, i.e. A303, S102
- Use a Shared parameter for printed Sheet Title
- Edit your callout/section/elevation mark families to reference Sheet Title instead of Sheet Number, i.e. 1-01/17, 3-02/17
Sorry, I thought you were looking for the same sheets with different numbers.
Do your view references need to reference the government sheet number (1,2,...), or the trade sheet number (A100, A110...)? Or both? If both, I think for such projects it is best you just use the government sheet-naming and nothing else.
You definitely want to retain the Revit ability to automatically reference the views. So that may limit your options. As soon as you give up automation and introduce manual editing, you waste time and introduce errors.
I don't know their requirements. But I also would verify if they are serious about this requirement or if that is just a way to make sure they have all sheets. Sounds like all they need to ensure is that if the set has 17 sheets, there are 17 sheets. A sheet schedule would accomplish the same thing. So we don't talk about sheet numbers in the normal way, more about a sheet-counting. Just throwing this in without knowing details. Maybe check with other professionals in your country how they handle that. I bet you are not the only one wondering how to efficiently do what makes sense, and what the client wants.
You could create a global parameter to control the visibility or the content of some added numbers on the title block family. Like a global yes/no parameter to control visibility of a integer or number that will show the government sheet number in front of the trade sheet number. I don't know how that helps referencing views, though. You also need to show the total number of sheets (1 of 17 etc.).
I hear ya. I eliminated all paper. In the field I use a tablet to mark up plans and so on. I literally print nothing, ever.
Only when I submit plans to JHA, I need to print it out in 2 hard copies.
Unfortunately, the people who still use fax and have their secretaries print out emails for them, are allowed to make decisions for the rest of us.
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