What do storefront shape handles do?

[pdent1]

We are always adjusting the profile of storefronts so that (say) doors hit the floor but the sidelights do not. There are grips, or shape handles or whatever you want to call them, on either side of the storefront. Dragging them doesn't change anything, except that you can see the "extents" of the storefront change in plan (but nothing else changes). What are these for and do they have any use at all?

[jay_colc]

NA

[jay_colc]

My understanding is that if reference planes (If you require shape handles in 3D views, use reference lines instead of reference planes) are used and set to anything other than “Not a reference” you can get a shape handle, but in more instances these planes are controlled by Parameters that drive the Dimension so are rendered redundant.

I do recall something about a nested component's Shape Handles don't work in a Family so as this is made up of many elements it could be that!

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@pdent1 wrote:

Dragging them doesn't change anything

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Works for me, how did you create the storefront i.e. how did you edit it to that shape?

[jay_colc]

On creating the storefront it works but as the poster states, when there are different levels within it some shape handles appear redundant and do not influence the element directly.

To create that arrangement you add another mullion line at the bottom of the side window levels and use the Modify Tab to delete unwanted frame lines and mullions.

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@jay_colc wrote:

To create that arrangement you add another mullion line at the bottom of the side window levels and use the Modify Tab to delete unwanted frame lines and mullions.

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This is what I'm unclear about, even with your explanation. You can't delete panels, and you can't delete border grids. How are you getting those "fantom" outlines of storefront?

I'd delete unnecessary mullions and replace panel with the same wall type. This leaves me with normal four shape handles that stretch everything.

[jay_colc]

@pdent1 You are probably best positioned to reply to this!

I assumed it was one Storefront from the explanation?

[ToanDN · Accepted solution]

The shape handle controls the top and base of the curtain wall, exactly like those of a basic wall.  Based on your image, the storefront curtain wall has been profile edited so that the original shape handle has no effect (again, same as wall).  You can either reset the profile or edit profile and change the shape.

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@ToanDN wrote:

Based on your image, the storefront curtain wall has been profile edited so that the original shape handle has no effect

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But, they work for me even when I edit the profile. In all four directions.

[jay_colc]

@blank... is right here, something is not right with the original storefront now looking at it on a PC and not a phone, as the panel does not look correct with the shape handles as shown and i cannot repeat it here as a test rather and just going on previous experience of shape handles and nested objects.

[pdent1]

I missed this discussion last year and decided to look it up again. @ToanDN is correct. The storefront had been profile edited. I picked another storefront which was rectangular and observed the same behavior. Once the profile was reset, the handles worked as expected. However, I don't know how to achieve the storefront in the original post except by editing the profile. Is there another way?

[ToanDN]

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@pdent1 wrote:

I missed this discussion last year and decided to look it up again. @ToanDN is correct. The storefront had been profile edited. I picked another storefront which was rectangular and observed the same behavior. Once the profile was reset, the handles worked as expected. However, I don't know how to achieve the storefront in the original post except by editing the profile. Is there another way?

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The shape of a curtain wall can by modified by:

- edit profile

- attach top/base to floors, roofs, ceilings, ref planes