Wavy layer inside the wall

[moraruandrei29]

Hello guys, is there any way to create this type of wall in Revit? The wavy layers are a must. Thanks!

[RDAOU · Accepted solution]

@moraruandrei29 

Not with a System Family...ie: not with a basic wall no you cannot.

1. You can model it as a family (example Curtain Panel, or Adaptive Generic, or a line based generic with an array)
2. Load into project ...
3. Start an in-place component 
4. Nest the family you from step 1 and 2
5. Finish inplace

Now it behaves like a wall more or less

[moraruandrei29]

I am not very familiar with nesting the family, can you elaborate? or place the file here so I take a look?

[RDAOU · Accepted solution]

@moraruandrei29 

Watch the attached GIF...Nesting means when you stat an In-Place Component in the Model, Instead of creating forms, Click in the component button on the ribbon and place an instance of the family ...as simple as that

[moraruandrei29]

Alright, thanks a lot, will try soon!

[ToanDN]

You could create a custom Reveal profile and use reveal tool on System walls.

[RDAOU]

A bluff...That would cut the layers and not generate multiple wavy ones...how would that look in plan views with 2 or 3 layers in the core as per OP ... odd no?

[moraruandrei29]

I need the wavy layers, not just wavy insulation, it would have no purpose, the wavy layers will reinforce the wall. This is for 3D concrete printing.

[RDAOU]

@moraruandrei29 

Another alternative ...you can create an array of model line curves in a line based family.

You need to export the Lines to .STEP no? so you do not really need the Geometry of the infill layers between the outer and inner skins. Your model would then consist of:

1. The inner and outer skin layers (basic walls - which you can use their analytical model to export the center line to STEP
2. PLUS: the model curves in the line based family (which are also 3D model elements that can be exported to STEP via Inventor)

[moraruandrei29]

Yes, that's correct, but the project still needs to be done in Revit, for visualization. Currently we working on a plug in to generate a centerline for the concrete layers, as the only possible way from Revit to create centerlines, is with the analytical model, but it's a no go for me. But thanks a lot for the info. I appreciate it.

[RDAOU]

@moraruandrei29 

You would still be modeling it in Revit...it is just for the export purposes you would use the model lines

[moraruandrei29]

Hi @ToanDN
I will try this too.

[RDAOU · Accepted solution]

@moraruandrei29 

You model a custom profile using the Profile-Reveal.rft (family template).... model the profile offset behind the reference plane in the right hand zone annotated WALL >> Load into project and assign to a reveal type >> when you place it, it will cut behind the wall face at a depth = to how much offset you gave the profile

[moraruandrei29]

@RDAOU Got it. Looks like this. Thanks guys! 

[moraruandrei29]

@RDAOU @ToanDN Thanks for your help guys. One more question I have.

I created the wall with a generic model wall based. looking like this:

Do you know if it's possible to make the curvy shapes parametrical?

Thanks again! Cheers.

[RDAOU]

upload the generic model to see what/how you modeled and if it is feasible to make it parametric or if there are alternatives to get you to what you to the desired results

[moraruandrei29]

Here it is, again, I am very grateful for your help! 

[RDAOU]

@moraruandrei29 

You have used an extrusion of a profile consisting of spline ... while spline are easily parameterized in massing and adaptive family environment, it is not doable in the basic loadable families.

What you could do is, instead of modeling the voids straight in that generic family, use nested families using the  face based template...

1. create the various waves (single rip) you need  in separate face based 
2. Load into the generic 
3. Lock and array
4. Associate with a label 

[moraruandrei29]

@RDAOU 

This is a bit far beyond my knowledge, can you share an example? it's easier for me to get that way. Thank you!