Unable to pin storefront glazed door

[sakar_deepak]

Hi 

When i pin storefront glazed door, it switches back to glazed panel. 

How can we pin storefront door ? 

Pics and revit file are attached for easy understanding. 

Pls tell. 

[barthbradley]

For all intents and purposes, it is "pinned".  It can't be moved without unpinning/moving adjacent grid lines/mullions. So leave the CW Door unpinned.  

[sakar_deepak]

Thanks. 

The real problem is that when we select all elements to pin at the end, it switches door back to panel. Then, we have do redo the doors. 

If you are right, then, one has to be careful to filter out curtain panel before pinning. But, If someone accidentally pins those, and there are tens of glazed door, then, one has to redo all. 

What is the solution for it ?

[barthbradley]

So, you're doing a crossing-window selection and pinning everything?  That will affect your Independent Grids as well. You'll lose any customization.  

[sakar_deepak]

Yes, crossing window. Currently we facing glazed door problems only because nothing else is customized. Is there any solution for glazed doors ?

[ToanDN]

Pinning a panel or a door in a curtain wall meaning changing it back to the default panel type of the curtain wall type.  So, do not pin it.  It doesn't move like regular door.

[barthbradley]

Don't Pin.  Maybe Group the CW and Pin the Group it's in.  

[sakar_deepak]

@barthbradley @ToanDN 

Thanks. I got your point that glazed door are not supposed to be pinned. 

I actually do not want to pin them. The real problem is that unknowingly we used crossing window to select all to pin the elements at the end of the day, and it pinned glazed doors also.

We shall be careful to filter out glazed panels before pinning now onwards. But, what if some one some time does it accidentally. Then, we shall have to redo all doors.

How can we save ourselves form this problem. It can not be left on luck.    

[ToanDN]

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@sakar_deepak wrote:

@barthbradley @ToanDN 

Thanks. I got your point that glazed door are not supposed to be pinned. 

I actually do not want to pin them. The real problem is that unknowingly we used crossing window to select all to pin the elements at the end of the day, and it pinned glazed doors also.

We shall be careful to filter out glazed panels before pinning now onwards. But, what if some one some time does it accidentally. Then, we shall have to redo all doors.

How can we save ourselves form this problem. It can not be left on luck.    

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Weird procedure.  Are you pinning everything at night and unpinning them in the morning?

[sakar_deepak]

@ToanDN  Yes, but not unpinning "everything" . Unpin those elements only which require editing.  

[barthbradley]

Have you considered NOT defining Horizontal/Vertical Grid Lines/Mullions in the Curtain Wall Type?  Starting with a blank canvas, so to speak, and adding the Grids Lines/Mullions as you go? No dependencies.  

[sakar_deepak]

@barthbradley No, We use the inbuilt Storefront wall. 

Are you suggesting to add gridlines manually one by one ? This will be very time consuming.

[ToanDN]

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@sakar_deepak wrote:

@ToanDN  Yes, but not unpinning "everything" . Unpin those elements only which require editing.  

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Filter all curtain wall doors out of the view then you can select all and pin them.  Or move all curtain walls with doors to a design option so that they cannot be selected when pinning.  Still, your approach to prevent editing is over the top.  If you want to prevent your team from doing the wrong thing then some training and operating manual are more useful. 

[SteveKStafford]

My two cents, a curtain walls with preset spacing for grids is only effective when the spacing is consistent for the entire length/height of the wall. If the spacing only varies at the beginning/end panel then it can be effective to override those grids, or if there are just a couple overrides. If the spacing varies a lot along it's length or height then placing grids individually and then using dimensions to accurately adjust them (lock the dimensions to preserve the spacing) is often more productive and less at risk to pinning or unpinning them.

As other's have been writing, the pin tool (to "lock" an element in place) and the pin icon that appears on curtain wall elements are very different in purpose. You'll notice if you look closely that the curtain wall element pin icon also has a "chain link" icon next to it. That is meant to indicate a relationship to it's type settings. If a grid, panel or mullion display a pin (pinned or not) then the type properties of that curtain wall controls their identity and position. Pinning an unpinned element will restore the element that is supposed to be there or move it (a grid) back into its prescribed location. Unpinning it will release it from the type property control and allow for changing its type or location (a grid).

As others have written, pinning elements might be useful to prevent accidental selection and movement resulting from it...but teaching users to understand the risk associated with crossing selection sets is FAR more important. Developing a careful habit of selection is critical.