Tagging Individual Elements and by-passing a Model Group

[elaineD4LDN]

A new feature in Revit 2023 allows you to tag model groups - I could see how this feature would be useful.

However, I am tagging elements within model groups - walls for example. In this process, the tag is defaulting to the model group and I have to tab through until I have the specific wall selected before I can tag it.

I tried to tag one wall and then use the "create similar" command to tag more walls with the same type of tag, but the model group is still the default item that the tag associates with. I also turned "select by face" on and off - still no change. I am finding that this is also the case with keynoting - the keynote will associate with the model group first. 

Is there a way to by-pass the model group as the first item to be tagged? Is there way to disable this feature somewhere in the setting? 

[barthbradley]

What about using Tag All?  

[elaineD4LDN]

Tag All does work - it works really well. The tricky thing for me is that I don't want to tag all of my walls - for example I am working on residential construction and I don't tag the interior 2x4 walls, I cover that in a general note. 

I also use keynotes for the elements within a dwelling unit group - I don't know of a similar command within keynotes to "tag all". I can still tab until I have the element selected within the group - then you can kind of keep clicking on the other elements once you've tabbed past the group. 

[bearlE4PNQ]

I came looking for this answer as well, but just discovered how to do it. You Tab-Select the object you want to tag in the Model Group while running the Tag command. So Model Groups become the initial target of the Tag command, and you have to Tab past it to tag the individual elements.

As a drafter of 10+ years, this can significantly reduce drafting speed and I personally don't like it. Drafting should be as fluid as humanly possible to maximize company profit. Adding steps to annotation commands causes delays and costs money (especially if you have 30 different suite types to tag). I understand you can bypass this by tagging the elements before you create the group, then make the model and detail groups after the fact. This is not intuitive workflow because people normally model everything, then tag the objects afterwards when they are getting closer to their IFC % update deadlines.

Tagging the model group should be tertiary in the Tag command or a separate tagging command, IMO.

[HFA.Dylan.Sylvester]

I completely agree. This is completely counterintuitive, and I personally can't even see the need to tag model groups. It prioritizes efficiency of a little-known and even-less-used function over a function that is fundamental and common to most projects and applications. This was definitely not a good move by Autodesk, and I have a strong opinion that it is harmful, not helpful. It's taking me much much longer to tag walls/doors/windows in my floor plans than it used to. And I will literally never need to tag a model group.