Tag as paint material in plan view.. Is it possible?

[Anonymous]

Hi! How can I insert automatic tag in walls with As Paint material applied in plan view? I know that As Pain isn´t visible, but, I don't want to duplicate many walls for many finish walls (sorry my english - from Brazil).

Thanks!

[cbcarch]

If I understand the question--

Paint Walls, then use a Material Tag?

[Anonymous]

Hi... so...

I cant to use the tag material because the as paint isn't visible to pick with a click in plan view. Am I wrong?

[barthbradley]

Automatically Tag Paint on placement? Tag meaning the annotation? Is that what you are asking? That would be a nightmare, don't you think? 

[barthbradley · Accepted solution]

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@Anonymous wrote:

Hi... so...

I cant to use the tag material because the as paint isn't visible to pick with a click in plan view. Am I wrong?

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You are not doing anything wrong. Paint has no depth. edge.  In other words, paint applied to a wall face in Elevation View is not going to be detectable in Plan View.  Heck, it isn't even detectable in the Elevation. It doesn't Filter.

[ToanDN]

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@Anonymous wrote:

Hi! How can I insert automatic tag in walls with As Paint material applied in plan view? I know that As Pain isn´t visible, but, I don't want to duplicate many walls for many finish walls (sorry my english - from Brazil).

Thanks!

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You could create Parts from the wall, split parts where the materials change, assign different materials to different parts, and Tag them.

[Anonymous]

Good tip, I tried this but, the instances aren´t walls category after create the parts... the category like walls yet its important for insert new doors, for example and too, for the schedules...

hum... I dont know what to do...

[ToanDN]

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@Anonymous wrote:

Good tip, I tried this but, the instances aren´t walls category after create the parts... the category like walls yet its important for insert new doors, for example and too, for the schedules...

hum... I dont know what to do...

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Create Parts does not delete the original Walls.  Parts is a subset of geometry that can set to show or hide via the view's "Show Parts" properties: Show Original, Show Parts, or Show Both.  If you set the view to Show Original or Show Both, you see the walls to insert doors/ windows.

[Anonymous]

I understand! Well... I will to search another way to create many finishes like "instance" for walls. Duplicate walls Autodesk method for the differents finishes its so exhausting.

Thanks!!!

[Anonymous]

I insert two different materials in each side of the wall.... I understand the visualization parts, but now.. in the schedule, the materias attached in parts are not quantified. Look:

[Anonymous · Accepted solution]

Yep!!! I got it! I made a schedule wirth Parts category. Thanks!

[ToanDN · Accepted solution]

Parts materials only show in a Parts material take-off or a Multi-category material take-off. If you use a Walls material take-off then they do not show there.

[Anonymous]

every work around I've seen has issues. 
1 - put a thin line infront of your wall types to represent paint finish.
-advantage. you can tag and filter in plan. All wall finishes for one level of a building can be shown on one plan.

-disdvantage. you're giving yourself a head ache editing thing if the design is still subject to change. multiple walls to move/edit/join for openings. 
2 - use a 2D detail line family in plan. eg the 2d detail family contains several line types of different colours. you can stretch the 2d line to suit the wall length in plan.

-advantage. its a family. you can tag and schedule it.  All wall finishes for one level of a building can be shown on one plan.

-disadvantage. the 2d family isn't linked to anything in model. someone can paint the wall a different colour to what the 2d fam represents causing contradicting data. Walls move and get deleted during design development. if one 2D family isn't locked to a wall or someone neglects to check the drawings/misses one. incorrect info can be sent out. 
3 - a 3D view of each room.
Advantage - you can tag painted wall materials in 3D. 
Disadvantage - Every room will need its own 1 or 2 3D views. Rather than been able to show all wall finishes on one level, on one plan.
4 - every room has its plan view on a sheet. surrounded by its internal elevation views.

Advantage - you can tag painted wall materials in elevational views. 
Disadvantage - Every room will need its own sheet. Rather than been able to show all wall finishes on one level, on one plan. This will vastly increase sheet numbers to awkward amounts to manage.

No method is perfect. everyone has issues. We usually lean towards the 2D family but as mentioned you have to keep on top of the inherent issues with that.

One other promising looking option is the video below for a plugin i came across trying to look for solutions for this issue. (called ARUtils).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3I1iav6ucs&feature=youtu.be
Yet to try the plugin (waiting on the 30 day trail activation file) but it does make me think. If they managed to find a solution. then it is possible to do paint tagging in plan.