Showing Elements In View Which are Not

[BigPicture045]

Objective: Display double floor joist on residential crawl space plan.

Challenge: These double floor joist are located in the floor system which is not in the view range. Adjusting the view range for the double joist causes view issues with other elements (concrete block walls). 

Known Workaround: 1) Create an individual plan region for each element (can look messy and is inconvenient). 2) Create non-true model which penetrates view region. 

Desired Solution: Select element and click "Keep objected viewable in _____ level." 

Is there any way to select an object and display it in a view without having to create a plan region?

[Ilic.Andrej]

You can try with Underlay. Turn on underlay, use Linework and select the Joist to override its graphics, then turn off Underlay, the V/G override remains and the joist is visible.

[martijn_pater]

You could create a view filter for the specified element, select by mark/comment/etc. for example.

[BigPicture045]

My objective is for the model element to be viewable in the view range itself, without the use of detail lines. 

Why are some items such as floors and footers visible in a view range when they are not in the cut plane? How can they be visible in the view if they are not penetrating the cut plane?

Can I customize individual elements to show up in set view ranges?

[martijn_pater]

See additional view range rules; https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2014/EN...

"Floors, structural floors, and foundation slabs located outside the view range use an adjusted range that is 4 feet (approximately 1.22 meters) below the bottom of the primary range. Floors are drawn with the Beyond line style if the floor exists within this adjusted range."

[Anonymous]

Is it not posible to adjust your view range slightly, so that it's cutting the top of the joists, but doesn't show the elements below?

[Anonymous]

Possible alternative is to create 2 views and overlay them on a sheet.  The one view shows the joists, with other elements are turned off in VG, while the other view shows the floor plan above.

[martijn_pater]

Overlaying views on sheets can get messy, but it's an approach... But if possible, lower the cut view range as @Anonymoussuggests and use view (specific) filter to only show the element you want in the view. If not, imho this is exactly what underlay+detail lines are for as mentioned also, i'd say that's a better approach in this scenario...

[XXalessio.amodioXX]

Hi,
I may say that both Workaround are not useful.
I had the same issue for structural beam on brick wall doors.
I usually create a custom family that contains:
1.The 3D element 
2. The so called projected line (I prefer as Line - no annotation line) that will be locked to 3D element itself.
3.I assign to customed sub-category .

Hope it helps

[BigPicture045]

Still working on how to view the double joist which is not showing in view. I am using a wall to simulate a double joist and to simulate my beams in this view; they seem to be the best to work with. My cut plane is set to 3' which shows the beams and the concrete block walls. It is not showing dbl joist and crawl space vents.

1. Wall (simulating double joist) is not visible in view range. Is it possible to override this? 

2. Crawl space vent (window) is not visible in view range. Vent Not in ViewCrawl Space Vent

[barthbradley]

The ol' invisible model line trick might work for you here -- or it might not. You decide.

http://revitoped.blogspot.com/2008/01/aaaahthe-old-invisible-line-trick-eh-99.html

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/learn-explore/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/R...

[BigPicture045 · Accepted solution]

The invisible line trick worked to help my crawl space vents (windows) come into view. Thanks for sharing that.

For the solution of displaying a true-to-model object, in this case a simulated double floor joist, in a plan view that is outside of the cut plane, I used a generic mass.

The mass displays regardless of the cut plane and can easily be customized. 

[barthbradley]

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@BigPicture045 wrote:

For the solution of displaying a true-to-model object, in this case a simulated double floor joist, in a plan view that is outside of the cut plane, I used a generic mass.

The mass displays regardless of the cut plane and can easily be customized. 

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I don't understand the solution you described.  Could you elaborate on what you did, please?  Thanking you in advance.   

[BigPicture045]

@barthbradley 

I created a generic model in the shape of a beam. The model shows in the view regardless of the cut plane location. 

[barthbradley]

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@BigPicture045 wrote:

@barthbradley 

I created a generic model in the shape of a beam. The model shows in the view regardless of the cut plane location. 

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Odd.  A Generic Model that doesn't obey the View Range laws of the Revit Universe.  I'm even more confused.  If you want to post the file, I'll explain to you what's going on.  

[XXalessio.amodioXX]

as @barthbradley  says a generic model does not show if the cut level is above it

[BigPicture045]

@barthbradley @XXalessio.amodioXX 

I have put the generic model, simulating a joist, outside of the house footprint so that it can be viewed from a elevation and the floor plan. The generic model can be viewed on the floor plan at any height within the associated level which in this case is the first floor. As you can see in the image below, the generic model is well above the cut plane of 4' 0" and is viewable on the floor plan. This can be replicated at any height within the first floor level which in this case is 0' to 8'. 

[barthbradley]

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Like I said, if you post the family, I will explain to you why that is.  Likely, it is related to the 'ol model line trick.  

http://revitoped.blogspot.com/2008/01/aaaahthe-old-invisible-line-trick-eh-99.html

FWIW: some additional info you may find enlightening:

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/learn-explore/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/R...

[BigPicture045]

@barthbradley 

[barthbradley]

This family (a Generic Model; not a Mass) doesn't have any special powers. It obeys the View Range Laws.  It is not true that it shows it "shows in the view regardless of the cut plane location" as you purported.  

FWIW: Here's a great resource to read about View Range:

 https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2019/EN...