Sealing A Window

[Anonymous]

hi, what is the easiest way to produce a seal between the window frame and the cut wall?  Was thinking about a metal strip making a window cill type of thing on all 4 faces.

[L.Maas]

Does not seem to be a Revit question but more a product question. I wonder if you should need to model this in Revit.

I expect this more to be discussed with the windows supplier. Further it would depend on the window and the type of wall (e.g. wood, brick). See some examples on THIS manufacturers site with different wall examples and installation instructions.

[Anonymous]

Ah, I see what you mean.  No, I wasn't meaning sealing as in the real world of the installation, I meant more on how to produce in Revit a surround around the window top, 2 x sides and the bottom.  I want to make the opening stand out in a red colour. Something like this - http://www.everliteconcept.com/en/portfolio/index.php?tmpl=component&option=com_k2&view=item&id=2117...

[FGPerraudin]

Hi @Anonymous,

Why don't you make a simple sweep along the edges of your wall opening? (using picking edges for flawless adapativeness)

Then constrain your sketch relatively to the wall so that it adapts with wall depth changes.

Associate a material parameter to the sweep, and there you go!

Works at our practice!

François

[Anonymous]

Sounds like a good idea but new to Revit so on YouTube searching!!

[L.Maas]

Ok, see where you are going.What for me is not clear from the picture if the 'sealing' is only on the outside of the wall and placed until it reaches the window frame (left in screenshot) or if it goes from the outside to the inside of the wall and the window is mounted on this sealing frame (right of screenshot).

If it goes all through the wall I would consider to make it part of the window. If you need to schedule it you could make it a nested family inside the window family. Advantage is that you can adapt the window size to the space needed for thesealing

If it goes upto the window frame you might consider to create it as a separate family. You could make it face or wall based. Window will take care of creating the wall opening. In this case the window does not adapts its size to the sealing.

Which route is the best depend on several factors. If you only  use one/few window families it can be simpler/faster to make it part of the window family (fast to model, fast placement). If you have lots of window families it might be simpler to create a separate 'sealing' family (faster modelling time, slower placement)

When creating families It is always good to think about how it will be made in real life. Is the sealing a separate product coming from different manufacturers (i.e. window and sealing) or is it coming from the same (window) manufacturer.

[ToanDN]

If the Everlite Concept image is what you want to achieve then I would build it in the window family as a sweep or extrusion the same way you build the normal frame. Give it a material parameter and you can change the color in project if required.

[Anonymous]

I'm trying to just make a cover really that would go around the opening for the curtain wall.  In these images there is blockwork, insulation, a waterproof membrane and then a polycarbonate façade that I could do with covering.  If I was in AutoCAD I'd just draw a box on the wall ( external side of curtain wall ) and colour it in.  Don't seem to be able to draw on the cut faces of the opening.

[FGPerraudin]

Well, doesn't change the technique, I think everyone agrees that in your case you just need a sweep inside your family.

The difference between Revit and Autocad is that Revit needs realistic thinking (it cannot make a zero thickness solid as it cannot exist).

So you need a sweep with an iron sheet thickness in order to paint your opening.

I know it is quite an adjustment at first, but when you start using the 3D potential of the software, you will see that all these little inconveniences won't bother you so much anymore!

Hope this helps,

François

[ToanDN]

Below are a couple of simple curtain walls with thin colored frames.  Another approach is build the thin frame inside the curtain panel family with material parameter and depth parameter for different wall thicknesses.  The same concept can be done for regular window families.

[Anonymous]

That is exactly what I need.  Trying to do this `self-taught` is driving me nuts!!

[Anonymous]

Ok, I've finally had a go at this but I'm doing something wrong.  I created a profile that equates to the wall thickness ( 387.5mm X 3mm ) - a simple rectangle to represent an aluminium sheet.  I am having difficulty aligning the sweep with the actual opening as can be seen in the below image.  I can only place it in the 3D view and there doesn't seem to be any way of clicking it to align with the corner of the opening.  I have altered the offset from the wall setting which has cured the vertical one ( darker red ) - have to go into the south elevation to get it in the right place and then the plan view to align with the wall.  Cannot get the bottom sweep ( paler red ) aligned at all - keeps saying its not on a wall yet I have the setting at the height of the opening.

I have just tried to put the sweep in the top part of the opening and set the offset to be the same as the vertical one but it is sticking out - the grey thin bit.  Surely there is an easy way to insert the sweeps?

[FGPerraudin]

hi,

Just be sure to "pick path" when making your sweep, and not sketch it.

Then pick your wall opening edges.

About your profile, you could simply have constrained it to the 3D drawing in plan/elevation according to the profile orientation.

François