Rotating Project North - Some Objects Don't Rotate

[jonalyn_abraham]

We are currently the interiors architect for a pretty huge 2015 project (400mb). The AOR did not rotate the project to project north which would have caused a whole lot of issues when beginning to detail out each space. Long story short, we decided to rotate to project north but now have to rotate it back.

When I rotate the model back, it goes well, until I realize that seemingly random objects do not rotate. This is a problem, because certain pieces of furniture rotate and others don't. Any suggestions?

[pieter7]

I know it's been around for a long time, was just logging that it's not been resolved yet.

I try to avoid rotating PN at all cost but in this case it was necessary. We inherited the file from another architect and they had the PN at a random angle relative to the building. We tried to work around it with rotated scopeboxes etc. It works fine for the views, but some tools (most notably the section box and the  selection box tool) will remain aligned to the PN by default (you could rotate it but you'd have to redo it every time the section box resets). 

Is there anyone who has a minimal reproduceable file? If not, I might strip this file to its essence and file it as a bug report.

[SLloydBowen]

The solution I used was to group the entire model then rotate project north to the desire angle.  Ungroup afterwards and delete the group.

[LucNugent]

Hi,

Contributing a few observations, to help Autodesk troubleshoot this and resolve for good, on the model that just caused me to look for this thread:

1. Components that do NOT rotate are face-based.

2. Those components will not rotate (RO 'command') if selection has more than 1 item.

3. They still would not rotate because, despite having been moved off their hosts, they were mapped to different levels.

My model is a native 2022 model, with not much in it.

So, I could rotate the elements once they moved off their hosts and their assigned level set to same value.

It may be a coincidence, but I set the level to match the view's Associated Level.

Basically, it looks like a lock but only because we don't know the combination! There should be no locks or 'secret handshakes' required to operate Revit.

I have not tested this further. Please resolve. It creates embarrassing conditions for those 'evangelizing' the benefits of BIM, and Revit as one of the software for BIM. Project North is confusing enough for new users without giving good cause to avoid a very nice idea for a feature! I use it but it can be catastrophic to workflow and time allocation.

[ToanDN]

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@LucNugent wrote:

Hi,

Contributing a few observations, to help Autodesk troubleshoot this and resolve for good, on the model that just caused me to look for this thread:

1. Components that do NOT rotate are face-based.

2. Those components will not rotate (RO 'command') if selection has more than 1 item.

3. They still would not rotate because, despite having been moved off their hosts, they were mapped to different levels.

My model is a native 2022 model, with not much in it.

So, I could rotate the elements once they moved off their hosts and their assigned level set to same value.

It may be a coincidence, but I set the level to match the view's Associated Level.

Basically, it looks like a lock but only because we don't know the combination! There should be no locks or 'secret handshakes' required to operate Revit.

I have not tested this further. Please resolve. It creates embarrassing conditions for those 'evangelizing' the benefits of BIM, and Revit as one of the software for BIM. Project North is confusing enough for new users without giving good cause to avoid a very nice idea for a feature! I use it but it can be catastrophic to workflow and time allocation.

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Based on what you wrote, you are selecting and rotating multiple elements, not project North.

[RobDraw]

There are a couple of great places for your thoughts, the Product Feedback page or the IDEAS forum. This is a user help forum and Autodesk barely monitors these threads.

[austin.garst]

In Revit 2023, I am encountering this issue.

[austin.garst]

I just had the same issue on a project I'm working on. This is an MEP project, so it's not quite as dramatic as a full architectural project. But I noticed what elements were not rotating with the rest of the project, and then I grouped them. Once they were grouped, those elements rotated when I rotated project north.

[james]

Yes, problem persists. How frustrating. Rotating True North works great, but rotating Project North omits a handful of objects. Grouping everything together helps, but doesn't capture everything.