Room bounding issue

[unniCERLA]

Have a Revit LT file which had rooms identified and "areaed" (i.e. room area is calculated) correctly with the room labels inside the rooms.

Made small changes like adding a couple of walls.

Now the rooms are still "area-ed" correctly, but the labels will not stay inside the room, but rather go and stick to one of the walls.  Clicking on the label does NOT show the opposite walls as part of the room.

Checked all the walls, they are all "room bounding".

The question is more, what is the process of debugging this?

[ennujozlagam]

have you try to cut a section and check if the new walls are touching the floor finish level, base offset is 0,0? or add room separator lines? thanks

[ToanDN]

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@unniCERLA wrote:

Have a Revit LT file which had rooms identified and "areaed" (i.e. room area is calculated) correctly with the room labels inside the rooms.

Made small changes like adding a couple of walls.

Now the rooms are still "area-ed" correctly, but the labels will not stay inside the room, but rather go and stick to one of the walls.  Clicking on the label does NOT show the opposite walls as part of the room.

Checked all the walls, they are all "room bounding".

The question is more, what is the process of debugging this?

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When you add a wall dividing a Room then the Room will reside on one side of that new wall, the other side has no Room, empty.  So, you need two Rooms then you place another Room in that empty space.

A Room Tag can be dragged to anywhere you like inside its Room, or outside with a leader.

[barthbradley]

Are you maybe talking about this fluke that happens with the Interior Fill?

If so, uncheck Room Bounding for Wall. 

[unniCERLA]

No. That's not the issue.

[unniCERLA]

That was my first check: that perhaps I had changed the base offset somehow. Sadly not the case.

[unniCERLA]

Sadly the issue is not this simple. Also, it's not that the room tag is on a wall, which could be fixed with a leader. The issue is that the "room" itself seems to be just the wall not the area between 4 walls, so to speak. However, strangely, the calculated area IS exactly right, and if I delete the Room and redo it, I can see Revit showing the "big X" across all 4 walls initially, but then it posts the tag to the wall again.

I am sure it is something silly and newbie, but wish there was a debug process.

[RDAOU]

@unniCERLA 

1. What happens if you select the Tag then from the Ribbon click SELECT HOST? 
2. Do you have any phase filters applied?
3. Can you show us an image of how it looks like? but first Go to visibility graphics >> model categories >>> rooms >>> check both room reference and infill

Even better if you can select the bounding walls, room and tag >> Copy to clipboard, past in an empty model and upload that here (most probably when you do that the room and tag will look fine in the empty model)

[unniCERLA]

Here's what I am complaining about:

Room 72 is the issue. The left wall of this room IS room-bounding. If I Select Host, I get this:

Note the "+" in the middle of the room! With infill and reference selected, you can see room 12 is infill colored, but room 72 only has the three walls colored.

You can see that that left wall is room-bounding below:

I do have phases, but checked that all walls are in the same phase.

Thanks,

[RDAOU · Accepted solution]

@unniCERLA 

Wanted to see the properties palette when you used select host.. nonetheless, considering that the Reference cross lines of the room and the bleeding blue infill of the room at the borders is for sure unusual and may be caused by several things...sorry I have to ask since you cannot share a model to look at

1. At which level is this room hosted? Architectural or Structural? ie: is it hosted on the top of structural floor level and there a finishing floor
2. If there is a finish floor in the space of the room, 
   • Is it joined to the wall?
   • Is it room bounding? (if yes make it not bounding)
3. If you add separation lines with a slight offset from the wall, does the tag snap to room center then?
4. Are u using design options?
   • If you copy to clipboard (Room, Room tag, bounding walls, bounding floor, and bounding ceiling or floor above) and paste from clipboard Aligned to view or level in a NEW empty file - does the issue persist 
5. Can you show 2 lateral/perpendicular sections with the Room Reference and infill enabled
6. What is the case with the adjacent space marked in yellow below

[unniCERLA]

You hit the nail on the head! As expected, a newbie issue that you pointed out: there IS a floor at 1" and it IS room-bounding:

All I had to do was uncheck the Room-bounding for the floor and everything fell in place!

THANK YOU SO MUCH!

[RDAOU · Accepted solution]

@unniCERLA 

It is not a newbie mistake...it is quite common that even experts fall into that error/mistake when hosting rooms to structural level...

But you are welcome 🙂 glad that helped