Window tags change when graphics are checked

[MHarrisFR822]

I use out of the box windows in my Residential projects.  They have a great feature that you can turn of and on the window pains or muntin's.   I have made a window tag that tags the windows 3050 SH for a 3'-0x5'-0 single hung window.  I also added a head height to the tag.   I am trying to figure out a solution with my tags.   If the muntin's are clicked on, I would like my tag to say 3050 SH DL,  if they are clicked off, I want them to have the 3050 SH designation.   Is there a way to do this or do I need to copy all my Single hung windows and make a new single hung window divided light category in my window tree?   thank you for your help. 

[ToanDN]

Sure.

I looked at the OOTB window family and the muntin visibility parameter is Type base, so you can simply create 2 window types, one with muntin and [3050 SH DL] Type Mark, the other w/o muntin and [3050 SH] Type Mark.  then add Type Mark as a label to the Tag.

Another way if you don't want to enter the Type Mark, then you can use formula(s) to create labels for the Tag, including auto dimensions, DL identification or not, and more.  Keep them as separate types is my personal preference but let us know if you want differently.

[barthbradley]

Depends on what parameter the tag is reading in the Window Type. Is it reporting the Type Name or Description or...?  

Find out what it is and Duplicate the existing Window Type and Name it differently or give it a different Description.  Have one Type that has the Muntin Visibility checkbox checked and the other with the Muntin Visibility checkbox unchecked.  Now you have two Types SH and SH DL.  

For example, this Window Tag is reporting the "Type Mark", but there are a bunch of other Parameter Fields in the left pane that could be used instead or in addition to "Type Mark": 

[MHarrisFR822]

I would love to figure out how to use a formula.   I am not super familiar on how to do that.   I think it would be.  if checked yes then use type mark.  if checked no use description.   Right now my tags are description based.

[MHarrisFR822]

thank you for the response.  Yeah right now my tags are description based.   I was hoping to find a solution that doesn't involve making duplicates of the same windows (one off, one off) different tags.   I am setting this up for my design team to teach them later.  

[MHarrisFR822]

do i need 2 window families for the type mark solution?   or can I use the single hung family and it toggle off and the tag change depending on that button? 

[RDAOU]

@MHarrisFR822 

Not a new family a new type...ie: 1 Family with 2 window types in it

1. Type A - with 
2. Type B - without

Then you swap types instead of switching the parameter in and off

Alternatively...You can create a Label that displays a conditional REF Mark...ie:

1. If the Muntins visibility box is ON it displays ABC
2. If the Muntins visibility is OFF it displays XYZ

You will need a shared parameter / Text with an if statement

[ToanDN]

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@MHarrisFR822 wrote:

I would love to figure out how to use a formula.   I am not super familiar on how to do that.   I think it would be.  if checked yes then use type mark.  if checked no use description.   Right now my tags are description based.

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Perhaps share you window and tag family here so we can see your base settings an work from there.  And if you use a formula, it would be adding "DL" to Description (as you are using it) tags of windows with muntin and omit it for windows without.  Switching between Type Mark and Description, while is doable, is unnecessary and confusing.

And again, using two types in the same family and Type Mark for the tag's label, is the simplest way to get what you are after, without any extra effort.  See attached Revit 2022 file of the image I posted yesterday.

[RDAOU]

Users switch Muntin visibility  On and Off and do not see the back process ... how is that confusing lol?

[MHarrisFR822]

I would love to learn the back process.  What ever magic you just shown me can you save it to revit 2021 please

[RDAOU · Accepted solution]

@MHarrisFR822 

Here is a 2020 version. I do not have 2021 installed...easy thou

1. A shared parameter Text - Name: Window ID added to Tag family
2. Same shared parameter Window ID ... added to Window family
3. two family text/type parameters under Identity Data (did not use existing parameters just incase you have other uses for Type Mark, Description and Comments ...etc)
   • ID TAG_1 
   • ID TAG_2
4. Add formula to Window ID + If(Muntin Visibility, ID TAG_1, ID_TAG_2)

... (Edit Window and Tag Family and load to your project)

[MHarrisFR822]

Thank you so much