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Anonymous
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REVIT subscription

Hi All!



I am very near getting the "go ahead" on the purchase of a couple of REVIT
licenses. Before I give the owners the most current pricing proposal, I am
wondering if someone can shed some light on why AutoDesk requires the
purchase of the subscription plan for REVIT when on other packages such as
AutoCAD, it is optional. I would really like to be able to speak
intelligently about the reasons it is required rather than... "Uh... that's
just their policy." Does anyone have the reasons this is a requirement?



I myself completely understand the benefits associated with the purchase of
the subscription plan and would consider them foolish not to purchase it,
but all they look at is the bottom line when it comes to software purchases
and could probably care less about said benefits.



Thanks for any advice you may have!
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Message 2 of 9
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

I think, but I'm not sure that subscription is only a requirement if you are
getting an upgrade/crossgrade price for the software.
--
Mark Mates
www.prosoftnet.com

"routman" wrote in message news:5797487@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi All!



I am very near getting the "go ahead" on the purchase of a couple of REVIT
licenses. Before I give the owners the most current pricing proposal, I am
wondering if someone can shed some light on why AutoDesk requires the
purchase of the subscription plan for REVIT when on other packages such as
AutoCAD, it is optional. I would really like to be able to speak
intelligently about the reasons it is required rather than... "Uh... that's
just their policy." Does anyone have the reasons this is a requirement?



I myself completely understand the benefits associated with the purchase of
the subscription plan and would consider them foolish not to purchase it,
but all they look at is the bottom line when it comes to software purchases
and could probably care less about said benefits.



Thanks for any advice you may have!
Message 3 of 9
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Mmates' response reflects our own experience as well, that the subscription is required only if you're receiving the Revit-Up or crossgrade pricing from your vendor. Note that we had one local vendor try to tell us that subscriptions were required for all-new seats (definitely not true) so you should confirm with Autodesk if your reseller is telling you such.

I also had the subscription debate recently at my office; the selling point ended up being a dollar comparison to NOT going with subscription. With our local reseller's pricing, going with the old-school approach of just buying the latest version every three years would have ended up costing approx $2500 more PER SEAT as compared to a seat+subsc(x3 yrs) approach. As you described, my audience wasn't much interested in support benefits, but as soon as that hit the table the debates ended.

Good luck!
Message 4 of 9
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

As I understand it since Revit is relatively new is that with each upgrade
they are adding new features. Keep in mind Revit versions are not and never
have been backwards compatible. So if you want to stay up to date then
subscription is the way to go. I am sure your not going to want to hear that
the feature that you wished you had is only available on the newest version.
Also there are some tutorials that are only available to you if you are on
subscription.

"routman" wrote in message news:5797487@discussion.autodesk.com...
Hi All!



I am very near getting the "go ahead" on the purchase of a couple of REVIT
licenses. Before I give the owners the most current pricing proposal, I am
wondering if someone can shed some light on why AutoDesk requires the
purchase of the subscription plan for REVIT when on other packages such as
AutoCAD, it is optional. I would really like to be able to speak
intelligently about the reasons it is required rather than... "Uh... that's
just their policy." Does anyone have the reasons this is a requirement?



I myself completely understand the benefits associated with the purchase of
the subscription plan and would consider them foolish not to purchase it,
but all they look at is the bottom line when it comes to software purchases
and could probably care less about said benefits.



Thanks for any advice you may have!
Message 5 of 9
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Also, during the course of the year, there are a series of "builds" that address potential bugs. On Subscritption you get notified of these builds when they are released.
Message 6 of 9
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

In an earlier post I stated my reasons for having Revit on subscription. Always do a search on discusssion groups to see if the topic has been discussed, otherwise you are wasting your time and ours as well.

Here is my recent post answer.

As to the value of subscription I would offer you three reasons to purchase them.

1. Revit is not backward compatible with its prior releases or interim numbered releases (i.e. 9.0 and 9.1). Even though the product release cycle has leveled off into annual releases in March or April of every year, there could still be an interim release during a annual product to support development cycles with Revit Structure and MEP software solutions. So the only way to stay current and competitive with the market place and consultant firms who maybe on subscription and upgrading their Revit installations annually is to be on subscription or upgrade your products annually. The cost of upgrading is the same or higher depending on your resellers subscription discounts. So you will have to pay as much or more than the subscription to be current in your release anyways.

2. Revit releases enhance existing functionality and tools along with offering new functionality and tools with each release. Also as thrid-party developers supply needed programming for analysis and simulation of the parametric building model, they will be using and supporting the latest functionality of new releases, so it is possible that many third party vendors software will not work with prior releases.

3. Having your product on subscription eliminates having to submit a budget request each year and constantly having to rationalize the upgrade to management, and compete with other line item costs or cudget constraints. As a long time CAD manager I remember the struggle and effort I had to spend each budgeting period to get my software upgraded, along with the associated training and support budgeting. Having the hardcost for upgrading/updating in the budget already as an annual function, I was able to define training and support costs associated with the annual upgrades and get management to realize the benefits of productivity and investment in staff. Remember, after all the tools and technology are removed from the equation the only real resource is the people and their skills, knowledge and experience that brings the design process to fruition and reality for our clients. Investing in staff to insure and improve the delivery of quality projects and deliverables in a timely fashion is the key to success. The investment in the best software, the best training and support is small compared to the overhead of staff.

If you look at the machine design and mechanical industries, they are constantly investing in technology and improving the skills of their staff to insure competitive success in a market-place cthat has changed to a global market-place. The building design is in the process of completing the same change to become a global market-place and today many projects are comprised of designed located in offices all over the planet. So to remain competitive each firm needs to insure its technology and infrastruture is current and that staff is provided with the best tools and knowledge to compete in a global economy.

Last, no company can develop and improve its products without support from the end user and subscription provides cash-flow and commitment by the products users insuring the continued developemt and support of products. Over my twenty five years of working in the CAD market place and specifically with Autodesk products as both an architect and consultant I have seen many software developers come an go. Imagine if you can investing in twenty seats of a now defunct software and having to go out and reinvest in new software, retrain your staff, setup new standards and libraries, change your support infrastructure and server installs. Maybe even pay more for less. I have used many products over the past twenty five years that lasted in the market-place for only a few years or more, and I do not relish the idea of having to reinvest or change software in a couple of years or ever again. So I support the software I need and use with subscription and upgrading to insure their success and continued development and my assurance that tomorrow they will still be there delivering new features and functionality for me to use.

Mel Persin, AIA
AEC Technology Consultant
Technology To Visualize and Realize Solutions
Message 7 of 9
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Point taken Mel, but as I mentioned in my original post, I already
understand the benefits of buying into the subscription program. I just
wanted to know why it is a 'required' purchase!

BTW... I had already read your post prior to posting my question.

Rob


wrote in message news:5797829@discussion.autodesk.com...
In an earlier post I stated my reasons for having Revit on subscription.
Always do a search on discusssion groups to see if the topic has been
discussed, otherwise you are wasting your time and ours as well.

Here is my recent post answer.

As to the value of subscription I would offer you three reasons to purchase
them.

1. Revit is not backward compatible with its prior releases or interim
numbered releases (i.e. 9.0 and 9.1). Even though the product release cycle
has leveled off into annual releases in March or April of every year, there
could still be an interim release during a annual product to support
development cycles with Revit Structure and MEP software solutions. So the
only way to stay current and competitive with the market place and
consultant firms who maybe on subscription and upgrading their Revit
installations annually is to be on subscription or upgrade your products
annually. The cost of upgrading is the same or higher depending on your
resellers subscription discounts. So you will have to pay as much or more
than the subscription to be current in your release anyways.

2. Revit releases enhance existing functionality and tools along with
offering new functionality and tools with each release. Also as thrid-party
developers supply needed programming for analysis and simulation of the
parametric building model, they will be using and supporting the latest
functionality of new releases, so it is possible that many third party
vendors software will not work with prior releases.

3. Having your product on subscription eliminates having to submit a budget
request each year and constantly having to rationalize the upgrade to
management, and compete with other line item costs or cudget constraints. As
a long time CAD manager I remember the struggle and effort I had to spend
each budgeting period to get my software upgraded, along with the associated
training and support budgeting. Having the hardcost for upgrading/updating
in the budget already as an annual function, I was able to define training
and support costs associated with the annual upgrades and get management to
realize the benefits of productivity and investment in staff. Remember,
after all the tools and technology are removed from the equation the only
real resource is the people and their skills, knowledge and experience that
brings the design process to fruition and reality for our clients. Investing
in staff to insure and improve the delivery of quality projects and
deliverables in a timely fashion is the key to success. The investment in
the best software, the best training and support is small compared to the
overhead of staff.

If you look at the machine design and mechanical industries, they are
constantly investing in technology and improving the skills of their staff
to insure competitive success in a market-place cthat has changed to a
global market-place. The building design is in the process of completing the
same change to become a global market-place and today many projects are
comprised of designed located in offices all over the planet. So to remain
competitive each firm needs to insure its technology and infrastruture is
current and that staff is provided with the best tools and knowledge to
compete in a global economy.

Last, no company can develop and improve its products without support from
the end user and subscription provides cash-flow and commitment by the
products users insuring the continued developemt and support of products.
Over my twenty five years of working in the CAD market place and
specifically with Autodesk products as both an architect and consultant I
have seen many software developers come an go. Imagine if you can investing
in twenty seats of a now defunct software and having to go out and reinvest
in new software, retrain your staff, setup new standards and libraries,
change your support infrastructure and server installs. Maybe even pay more
for less. I have used many products over the past twenty five years that
lasted in the market-place for only a few years or more, and I do not relish
the idea of having to reinvest or change software in a couple of years or
ever again. So I support the software I need and use with subscription and
upgrading to insure their success and continued development and my assurance
that tomorrow they will still be there delivering new features and
functionality for me to use.

Mel Persin, AIA
AEC Technology Consultant
Technology To Visualize and Realize Solutions
Message 8 of 9
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

Reply From: msmarino
Date: Mar/10/08 - 22:07 (GMT)

Re: Vista 64-Bit + User Account Control On + Revit Shortcuts
Hi
Im trying to use open revit 9.1 with Vista Bussines and doesnt work at all.
Autodesk doesnt give me any answer just says that I have to invest 2 years of licence 1200 pounds if I like Revit works
I see anyway wont work properly///
Is completly unfair doesnt fix those problems an I cant work
at all.
Is has someone here representing Autodesk who can assume the responsability to help please
my e mail is
msmarino@btinternet.com
Thanks
Maria




Reply From: msmarino
Date: Mar/10/08 - 21:50 (GMT) NEW!

Re: Iniciamos oficialmente el Foro de Revit en Español
Hola
Me da mucho gusto encontrar un foro en espanol.
Yo soy una arquitecta que actualment vivo en Londres, he comprado una Licencia Revit version 8 en Francia (cuando vivia alli) junto con un ano de suscription que ha vencido el anio pasado noviembre 2007.
Recien he comprado una laptop Dell Precision 2300 que viene con Vista.
He instalado Revit 9.1 la ultima version que he recibido con mi suscription.
He instalado Autocad 2007, y he registrado este producto.
Pero Revit no se abre para nada no pudiendo generar un codigo de requesta para registrar mi Revit
Conclusion no puedo trabajar.
He llamado mi reseler en Paris y tambien otros en Londres y Autodesk miles de veces ,
Absolutamente NADIE se hace responsable de este problema
diciendome que Autodesk no ha creado ningun Patch para hacer compatible Revit 9.1 con Window Vista.
Me dicen que Autodesk no ha creado ningun PATCH para obligarnos a la gente con esta licencia que data de menos de un anio a comprar una migracion hacia la version 2008 diciendome que debo pagar dos anios de licencia para que Revit funcione con Vista.
Yo no puedo de ninguna manera hacer esta inversion teniendo en cuenta que cuando inverti en mi nueva laptop fue con la idea de trabajar com mi Licencia Revit,
Jamas imagine que tenga que pagar 1200 pounds para que mi licencia marche.
Estoy completamente furiosa y creo que no es justo que yo deba desenbolsar este dinero porque Autodesk no le interesa dar una respuesta a este problema.
Hace ya dos semanas que perdi dinero sin trabajar, gaste dinero en comunicaiones telephonicas en francia, uk , suiza y Usa incluyendo cartas y mails, incluyendo el stress que me me genera esta injusta situacion.
Al dia de hoy 10 de marzo de 2008 nadie se hace cargo y
Autodesk no responde.
Espero que alguien por aqui pueda ayudarme por favor,
Aclaro que no puedo instalar windows XP ya que porque o Dell dice que es responsabilidad de Autodesk y me demanda de pagar por una licencia adicional por XP
Gracias por su pronta ayuda
mi mail es : msmarino@btinternet.com
y ni nombre Maria
Message 9 of 9
Anonymous
in reply to: Anonymous

We initially took advantage of the Revitup promotion a few years ago and did the subscription for the first 2 years but opted to stop it after Revit Architecture 2008 since we relied heavily on the unsupported mirror function of Revit 9 (which RA2008 disabled)and we did not use the support. We never installed RA2008 and i've heard that the mirror command will be included in the next release so we most likely will have to pay a premium to upgrade to this next version. Bottom line is that we probably should have maintained our subscription but to answer your question, it's not required regardless what you hear from the compitition.

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