Revit door family adding handle issue

[rickjohnston]

Hi All,

I was given a door family for interior doors and it doesn't have door handles so I am just trying to edit the family model and add the standard basic handle. Every thing looks great and I add component which is the door handle and get them correctly positioned on the door panel. I create a vert. from an existing plane floor to the handle center and then horz. dimension from an existing plane off edge of the door to the handle center. I then lock both dims and then pin both handle objects. I save and load family to project. My vert. placement of the handles look fine but the horz. position if off.

Door handle position

PlanElev

I have redone the horiz. dim. several times even trying to place them in center of the door just to see them move and they simply do not they are always outside the door panel into the wall?

What am I not doing correctly that appears I am after all the videos of the process I have watched...

TIA!

Cheers!

Rick...

[barthbradley]

Why are you Pinning? Align and Lock only. 

...post the family.

[ToanDN]

Is the reference plane that you dimension the lockset to constrained properly to the edge of the opening?  Flex the door width in the family see what happens.

[rickjohnston]

Okay I have to admit I'm at a loss understanding what you actually mean by "flex" width? I thought I knew but the door width is "fixed" when I think I changed it I get constraints error message.

So I then thought okay what is different between the horz. and vert. dims.? The vert. dims was to 2 workplane lines so I added another plane to the center of the handles...reset the dim from plane to plane and saved, reloaded but still same result! So I guess I got lucky on the vert. dim and locking that position but the horz. not so much. From the many videos I have watched creating a door family it really appears I have done all the correct steps...back to the drawing board!

Thanks again for the reply!

Cheers!

Rick...

[barthbradley]

I'll bet the Pinning has something to do with it.  

[ToanDN]

Flex the width meaning you temporary change the width to a different value and see if the handle moves to match it.  It is a popular task when building families ti make sure things work before you load them in projects.

In any case, feel free to share the family here.

[barthbradley]

[rickjohnston]

I think that was it but couldn't confirm...ALL videos I have watched said drop in component then pin; then lock dim...

theirs work correctly but they created from scratch! Maybe another constraint is interfering?

This is simply nit intuitive to what one should expect!!

Cheers!

Rick...

[barthbradley · Accepted solution]

You don't need to take my word for it. Just unpin it and try to flex it.  If the door flexes without throwing an error, then it was the pin.  

FWIW: Pinning an element, locks that element at the location it is placed -- as well as any other element that is aligned and locked to it, including Ref. Planes.  A pinned element cannot be moved. Nor can elements aligned and locked to the pinned element be moved without unlocking them first.  

[rickjohnston]

I marked this accepted because this was part of the issue...upon closer inspection of the family I really was getting 1 handle in the correct place and flexing also worked for it; however the handle that was actually facing me in the views were out of position. What happened was I had 1 handle correctly positioned and locked so it was working. I then mirrored this handle expecting it to lock to the opposite plane but it did not. I had to manually move it off plane and then back onto plane and then it also locked into position.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction to dig further and help me understand families a little better!

Cheers!

Rick...

[ToanDN]

You can align the mirrored handle with the other handle and lock it. Or you can place another dimension to the new handle and lock it the same way you did to the first handle.