Referencing Issue

[Graham_Bowlby]

Our office is currently working in Revit 2017 and we are experiencing an issue where our floor plans that have no call out reference of back reference are showing one....and what is worse is the back reference is showing an elevation sheet.........This is a big issue...does anyone know how to fix it?

[Anonymous]

It will probably help to either share the file with the issue or at least show a few images to illustrate what's going on. It sounds like there's some kind of view issue or something that is hiding a callout. I'm not sure.

[Graham_Bowlby]

NP...here is a clipping of the sheet. Now the A-200 in the bottom of the reference bubble is one of our elevation sheets......A-103 is the sheet that I have attached as a clipped sheet. There is no callout for the plan on this sheet...it is simply the full floor plan placed on a sheet......


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Graham Bowlby
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[Graham_Bowlby]

For some reason my attachment doesn't appear to have come through.

[RDAOU]

@Graham_Bowlby Hi

try using a different browser. Some browsers have issues with uploading images on this forum. It would surely be easier to understand the issue you are having through an image or a screenshot

[Graham_Bowlby · Accepted solution]

I was just about to try and upload the file again when I was able to get into contact with a very experienced Revit User within my company.  He said the family is acting properly and simply referencing the first possible sheet that pertains to this floor plan because the family requires this reference.  The solution is to use a family that doesn't have that requirement built in or make a new one.  In our case we do have one.  I come from a place where we like to use the same family for Revit  for each sheet no matter what type of sheet it is, but this was with another company.  With the new firm they have a few view titles they use.  So I hope this helps other users that may run into this issue.

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[ToanDN]

To be honest I am still not understand it clearly, if at all.  Were you talking about the information highlighted below being incorrect in your case?  If so, it even makes me more confused because they are system parameters built into projects and View title families, which simply be there no matter you create a new View title family or not.

[Graham_Bowlby]

No worries. I will try to clarify it. We have View titles that were referencing sheets when there should have been no reference at all. It really falls down to our view titles in general. The type of parameter we have used does not have visibility parameter associated with it in our case. Thus if I understand the issue well enough the parameter is looking for the first place this plan would be indicated which in our case happens to be the elevations it seems.
In our enlarged plans and detail sheets, the parameters show up perfectly, reference works great. But on the overall floor plans they should have no reference at all. In my last post we decided to use a different view title family so to avoid that issue but it has recently been decided to just not use them on the overall plans at all since the title clearly shows what is on that particular sheet.
We are also going to develop some new view titles going forward that corporately will be standardized.
I thought that maybe if others out there had similar issues this may help as it has worked for us. Thus I said our issue was solved.
I hope this helps clarify what I has an issue with in the first place. If not just let me know.

Thank you

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exp Architects Inc.
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Canada
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[eccross]

FYI, for those dealing with similar issues - as mentioned earlier, the view exists in the first view it exists in.  Sometimes the edge of an elevation can creep into a view that you're not planning on viewing it from - especially if you include the perimeter wall in your elevation instead of just the interior of a room.  This is a common issue found in enlarged plans.  For my project, we enlarge all rooms to 1/4", and interior elevations only live in the enlarged plans, not in our sector plans.  When the elevations were created, someone dragged the extents to include the perimeter walls.  That meant that adjacent elevations were being "seen" by Revit in views that they shouldn't have been.  Additionally, even when the boundary was adjusted, I often had to select the elevation and hide it in the enlarged view it was incorrectly referencing.  Once you do that, the reference will update.

I'm currently dealing with a drafting view referencing a plan view that it should never exist in (it's a section detail) - riddle me that.

[eli.fligelman]

Hi all,

There is still an issue for Autodesk troubleshooting with this topic (see link: https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit/).

If the problem you're facing is having wrong reference on floor plans / structural plans as shown below, then there is a walkaround which will be explained below:

Here is a snapshot of foundation plan referencing to SB301 which is a section sheet when it should be referencing SS101 which is the site plan

If that's the problem you're having then here is the solution:

1. Go to the referenced sheet (SB301 in my example above)
2. Activate every section on this sheet:
   1. Go to Visibility/Graphics window
   2. Hide Floors (Model Categories)
   3. Hide level (Annotation Categories)
   4. Click Apply
   5. Show Floors (Model Categories)
3. Click Ok

After you have done this to every section on SB301 the reference should be updated correctly.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Eli.

[ToanDN]

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@eli.fligelman wrote:

Hi all,

There is still an issue for Autodesk troubleshooting with this topic (see link: https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit/).

If the problem you're facing is having wrong reference on floor plans / structural plans as shown below, then there is a walkaround which will be explained below:

Here is a snapshot of foundation plan referencing to SB301 which is a section sheet when it should be referencing SS101 which is the site plan

If that's the problem you're having then here is the solution:

1. Go to the referenced sheet (SB301 in my example above)
2. Activate every section on this sheet:
   1. Go to Visibility/Graphics window
   2. Hide Floors (Model Categories)
   3. Hide level (Annotation Categories)
   4. Click Apply
   5. Show Floors (Model Categories)
3. Click Ok

After you have done this to every section on SB301 the reference should be updated correctly.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Eli.

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1. If you want to show the Sheet Number where the view belongs then add Sheet Number, not Referencing Sheet, to the label.

2. Since you referenced that particular article,  here is a thread debunking it.

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-architecture-forum/the-referencing-sheet-does-not-always-make-s...

[eli.fligelman]

Hello ToanDN,

Thank you for your reply.

I do want to show the reference sheet, not the sheet number, let me explain
by this example:

1. Site plan is sheet A has a callout to a plan view to sheet B
2. Sheet B has section to sheet C, but the title of the plan view on sheet
B showing reference sheet number C instead of A

I do want to see the reference sheet on sheet B but somehow it shows
reference to sheet C which doesn’t make sense.

The workaround I wrote in my post shows that on the section on sheet C if I
hide the floors and level and then show the floor somehow this reference on
sheet B is shown correctly.
And if I show the levels again the reference is incorrect again.

I would appreciate to have a fix to this.

Thanks,
Eli.

[ToanDN]

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@eli.fligelman wrote:
Hello ToanDN,

Thank you for your reply.

I do want to show the reference sheet, not the sheet number, let me explain
by this example:

1. Site plan is sheet A has a callout to a plan view to sheet B
2. Sheet B has section to sheet C, but the title of the plan view on sheet
B showing reference sheet number C instead of A

I do want to see the reference sheet on sheet B but somehow it shows
reference to sheet C which doesn’t make sense.

The workaround I wrote in my post shows that on the section on sheet C if I
hide the floors and level and then show the floor somehow this reference on
sheet B is shown correctly.
And if I show the levels again the reference is incorrect again.

I would appreciate to have a fix to this.

Thanks,
Eli.

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- You want the View Title of the Section on Sheet C to show Sheet B as Referencing Sheet

- You want the View Title of the Plan on Sheet B to show Sheet A as Referencing Sheet

- You want the View Title of the Site Plan on Sheet A to show what?

[eli.fligelman]

That’s correct,
Section title on sheet C does show the plan view on sheet B, but the plan
view on sheet B show reference to sheet C instead of sheet A.
The site plan on sheet A does not need any reference there is only a title
without reference.

[salman_afsari_6LYYGTFMHY26]

I have almost the same issue with sections tittle. Some of my section tittle Won't show the sheet reference. They all have the same template but some show and other not. even though they are referencing the same sheet. Anybody has solution to this? 

[salman_afsari_6LYYGTFMHY26]

Solved it, the view extend needed to be on specific distance. when I change it from 4'-0" to 2'-6" the tittle showed up.