Reference line array loses workplane reference plane when I add family types

[crapai]

I'm having issues with reference lines in another family. I decided to start with a fresh family to see what the issue is. 

The attached family works fine if there are no family types. I can drag the reference plan around and the reference lines move with it. If I add a family type to the family and move the reference plane only the top reference line moves.

[barthbradley]

Why are all the Ref. Lines Grouped?  If they are supposed to be in an Array, you need to check "Group and Associate" when you create the Array.

...if this isn't what you are asking about, then please provide more information about what the issue is.  Perhaps list the steps to replicate the issue. 

[crapai]

That was checked and the file I provided was outcome. When I add a family type and move the reference plane the reference line lose the reference plane as their workplane.

 

[barthbradley]

No issues here...

Out of curiosity, where are you going with this?  What's the purpose of Arraying Ref. Lines - and especially without parametric control (i.e. "Offset" and "Number in Array") ?  

[RDAOU]

Hey Barth ... Why don't you attach for him the file so he could check and reverse engineer it? I would have if I had access to machine with Revit!

[crapai]

The real family has controls for the array. This was me just attempting to figure out what was wrong by making a very simple family.

It looks like your example is not matching mine. It looks like the lines are on the ref level and the first one is aligned to it.

In my example the lines are associated with the reference plane and the array is on the Z axis. When the reference plane is moved on the Y axis only the top arrayed reference line moves in the Y axis to match the reference plane location. This behaviour only happens after I add family types to the family.

[barthbradley]

I'm not following you. Mine is the same as yours - except mine is parametric.  You don't see it that way?

Here's mine in 3D:  

[RDAOU · Accepted solution]

@crapai 

The issue is that you are relying on the reference line association to a workplane. However, that reference line will loose that association whenever you invoke Any change to the family (Not just  when creating a new type)..

See GIF below - All I did was giving that array a label/parameter. 

What you need to do is:

1. After you array the Reference line, Align and lock the first and last instance to the Vertical Reference plane 
2. Lock the first instance to a horizontal reference plane (if you need to parametrically offset it from Level)

PS: Usually when I am using reference lines, (in most cases) I set them as "not reference" - not a must but it kills certain properties/behavior of reference lines

[crapai]

Thanks. I figured it out from the model posted by barthbradley that the ref lines needed to be aligned as his model's ref lines still were unassociated. Does this work with model lines that loose association as well?