Plan Section Marker In Elevation?

[Anonymous]

Greetings - My first post, so here we go!

I want to create a section marker/tag, in an elevation view, which references a floor plan. I'm having trouble finding a way to make this happen, without creating a 'dumb' symbol/family to use instead. The plan I want to reference is a floor plan, not a detail view or a drafting view. Is there a good way to make this work?

Many thanks in advance for any help with this issue

[SteveKStafford]

Have a closer look at the new behavior and features of the View Reference concept.

[Anonymous]

Thanks Steve, but you might have mis-understood my question; perhaps the attached image will clarify my problem a bit more.

Is the symbol you attached a family that you created yourself, and does it update automatically when the referenced view changes sheets, etc?

thanks again!

[SteveKStafford]

Yes that's what a View Reference is meant to do, update when the view's detail number and sheet number change.

You can add the "section line and tail" however the they won't be strectchable to change the length casually. It would require a view types to govern the length of those parts, like short, long, longer and longest. It would be easy to edit the family for a given project so the section types were long enough to cover the building from a couple directions of view.

As you've found, only the Detail Section type can be sketched horizontally but it doesn't allow us to use the Reference Other View to point (reference) to a regular floor plan view, only other Detail Floor Plans or Drafting Views. The other types (Wall and Building Section) are restricted to plumb/vertical view creation only.

If it were me I'd abandon the line and tail and use distinctly (not necessarily like mine, but I've seen similiar) different graphics for this kind of view reference because it isn't really a traditional "section", or at least now how the industry tends to regard a "plan" view.

[Anonymous]

Hello Steve,

I am struggling with the same thing - trying to reference a plan detail on a section detail (exactly what you have shown in the attached file), however, the reference view option that you described here doesn't seem to work for me. When I click on the view reference tool I can choose the view that I want to reference, however, when I click on the drawing the only thing I get is text "REF". I can't change the text of it in the type settings (it shows the right view number in the properties when I select it). Am I doing something wrong?

Help is much appreciated.

Cheers,

Ivan.

(Revit 2013 update 3)

[cbcarch]

Place the Section marker in elevation. Then Rotate it 90 deg. so it is horizontal, facing down.

You now have a section referencing a "plan view".

[Anonymous]

Thanks Cliff,

I was just about to edit my post because I found a solution - the view reference comes with no tag family loaded, that is why the "REF" thing was showing up. Now that I loaded the family from the library the reference is showing up.

Thanks!

[cbcarch]

Glad it worked!

Please select " Accept as solution" if this solved your problem.

[hanksteinhardt]

Awesome! You wrote this 7 years ago and you just saved my day. Thanks, Hank

[lmorales]

Re: 

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@cbcarch wrote:

Place the Section marker in elevation. Then Rotate it 90 deg. so it is horizontal, facing down.

You now have a section referencing a "plan view".

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Except you don't, because a Section-type Reference-view can only Reference another; Section-type view, Detail-type-view or Drafting-Type-View (it cannot reference a Floor-Plan-type view).

For "Vertical Trades" (trades that work from Elevations instead of Floor Plans), like Curtain Wall, we would like the ability to Callout a Partial Plan in Elevation, and we can sort-of do this by making our Partial Plans Detail-type or Section-Type views -- but then we lose all the Plan-Type view-range settings.

It's super frustrating.

[camilo.copete]

I too have the same problem with the rotation approach. Not sure why this is so complicated - Did you ever find a solution?

[lmorales]

Not Really, but we make it work...

How we currently handle this is...;

- Creating a 'Callout: Detail-type' view in the Plan (It took me YEARS to get my CW-folks to understand that it is architecturally-wrong to make callouts in Elevation).

- Toggle the "Show in" option to; "Itnersecting Views" to get the callout to appear in Elevations that it is orthogonal to (important when dealing with buildings with organic geometry -- like building grids, this "intersecting views" option is only successful when it intersects perpendicular views).

- Toggle "Parent View" to <none> which allows us to control the height and depth of the view in Elevation View.

There are still issues with this though...
- These "plans" are not Plan-type views (they are Detail-type views), meaning we can't have a callout IN these Detail-type views that callout to an Elevation-type or Plan-type view (this is architecturally backward) -- this seems to be another thing that only "vertical trades" do, since why would anyone else have a detail view call out to a Plan or Elevation -- detail views are a "destination-type" view.

- We can't use Plan-View-Templates on these Detail-type views -- I think I should rephrase this, Revit ALLOWS us to do this (apply a Plan-View-Template to a Detail-type view) but the Detail-Type View ignores settings specific to Plan-type Views which includes...

     - System Color Schemes.

     - All the Underlay options are gone entirely.
     - View Range is swapped for Clipping - meaning the default is inherited from the Parent View until it set to <none> at which point its full controllable with grips or depth distance.

     - No Scope Box Association at all.

For the most part it works... until we need to use Underlays, Scope Boxes, or a Project Manager insists on Calling out to a Plan/Elevation-type View from a Detail -- at which point folks start to lose their minds, create Dumb-Callout Families, Duplicate Plan Views and slide them precisely under the Details... thousands of other horrible ideas... etc.