Placing wall based families in Structural linked model

[ynemchev]

Hello everyone, 

I would like to ask you a simple question, yet important. 

When I import structural model (which contains all wall openings), how do I go about placing wall based families, such as doors and windows in the copy-monitored structural wall? Some of the openings must have windows in them, some doors. All of the walls are RC with openings.

Thanks in advance.

[martijn_pater]

So, you mean without binding a linked (structural) model?

[barthbradley]

You're going to need to give us more information to be able to advise you properly.  But, obviously you are going to need to create walls to host your wall-hosted doors and windows. Sounds like the link has the openings for the doors and windows already, so placing these host walls should be pretty easy.  They are sized to fit those openings.  Once they are placed, host your door and windows to them.  

[martijn_pater]

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-architecture-forum/binding-linked-revit-model/td-p/7032948

I guess it is similar as above?

See also; https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2016/EN...

[martijn_pater · Accepted solution]

So I think I realized what you meant now. I think your trouble is that your (structural) wall already has the openings and that the window/door families you are trying to place on this wall try to establish a cut opening within the already existing wall opening? So you get the 'can't cut instance out of wall' message? In that case you could resolve that by just deleting the cut opening from your wall/door families (and/or make a copy of door/window families without the cut openings) For coordination purposes you could adjust the opening seperately.

But if you were trying to place them on the linked model walls directly then you should read the article in the link from my post above and follow the steps to copy the walls into your project, but I now guess that wasn't the issue.

[barthbradley]

Sounds to me like the OP is involved in a Tenant Improvement of a Tilt-up or Precast Concrete Structure. He been provided the Structural, which contains the as-built shell walls with openings, and he has Linked the Structural into his Project and copied over the walls via Copy/Monitor tool. At this point, the Link has served its purpose and there would be no further coordination or collaboration with Structural. The “Existing” condition is now resident in his Project and he can proceed on with “New Construction”. If he is going to be placing Revit Wall-Hosted Windows/Doors into the existing openings, he’ll need to first place a Host Wall in the openings -- which is fine. I would assume there is framing, blocking, insulation around the Windows/Doors.  In other words, the Doors/Windows aren't butting against or in direct contact with the "existing" concrete.  I could be wrong.  Like I said, I would need more information from the OP to know for sure.   

[bin · Accepted solution]

Face-based window/door maybe. 

[ynemchev]

This is exactly what I meant. I think your way could work. 

Thank you.

Really, if I knew at the beginning of the project, probably the best way would be to use face-based families for doors and windows.

[ynemchev]

bin, this does work... but

I really thought there might a better way... all of my windows are wall-based...

Thanks!

[barthbradley]

@ynemchev: So, what exactly were you trying to do?  

[bin]

If you search the forum for how to change a wall-based family to a face-based family, you will find the solution.