Place Steel profiles on curved Edge

[khalili_masoomeh]

Hello every one.

 is there anybody who knows how I can place a profile (Steel Profiles for example a rectangular Box) on a curved edge like what i showed in the image. if anybody also knows a way to solve it by Dynamo it would be fine. 

thanks in advance

[hmunsell]

use Model in Place, Use a steel profile and Sweep it using the Pick lines option, selecting the edge of the curve.

[ToanDN]

Can you share that roof model?

The reason I asked is you can easily create a sweep using pick 3d path, but the sweep may not 'hug' to the curved face correctly.

[khalili_masoomeh]

thanks for replying. how do you load steel profile? I got this Error!

[hmunsell]

when in the Sweep command, you select your path, then pick Load Profile. if you do not have one you may need to create one.

C:\ProgramData\Autodesk\RVT 2020\Libraries\US Imperial\Profiles\Framing\Steel

there may be other options....  as @ToanDN  requested, can you share the roof file? 

[martijn_pater]

You need to choose a profile family, new --> family --> metric profile template and draw your profile and load it into other family  project. Then you can select in when editing the sweep or any other extrusion.

[khalili_masoomeh]

I know. i have its families but revit says its not of correct category. Yes i will upload it

[barthbradley]

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You are not picking a true Profile Family. Profiles Families are those created using the Profile Template (e.g. Profile.rft).    

[khalili_masoomeh]

Yes. it s not what I want. I need a Real Steel Profile . Like a Rectangular Box not a model in place. do you know a way for placing a steel beam on a carved edge like this ? It is not match with any reference palnes. 

[khalili_masoomeh]

It 's not a roof and is not the original shape that i wanna model then. it's a wall and its for  testing the important item is curved edge.  bcs the original shape has curves like this. but Yes of course i will upload it here. 

https://easyupload.io/8i5htr

[martijn_pater]

What do you mean by Real steel profile? A steel profile is also just a profile... you can model in place and asign it to structural framing category. Sweep, pick edge, select profile...

If you mean inserting the profile as family you need an adaptive component family and set it up to use the curvature. Possibly using Dynamo, but how.. dont know :)...

[hmunsell]

@khalili_masoomeh  it can be done with a sweep set to Steel Framing. the profile selected can be finicky though due to the angles involved. so you may need to try a couple options/shapes to find one that works.

[khalili_masoomeh]

thanks for replying. I meant that I wanna Steel Profile family in order to have other options after modeling like measuring, Weights, connections.... these items won't be access in Model in Places like sweep or others!....

[barthbradley]

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@khalili_masoomeh wrote:

Yes. it s not what I want. I need a Real Steel Profile . Like a Rectangular Box not a model in place. do you know a way for placing a steel beam on a carved edge like this ? It is not match with any reference palnes. 

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Just model the geometry as a sweep extrusion inside an In-Place Modeling session. You can Categorize the In-Place Component any way you like, however there is no such Category as "Real Steel".   But there are Structural Categories that would apply.  And there are all sorts of "Steel" Assets in the OOTB Material Library that you can use for the Component.    

...the Material of the component is how the Physical Properties are determined/calculated.  

[khalili_masoomeh]

thanks again for replying. Yes you are right, my English is terrible, I know there is no real steel it was a mistake  😃

[hmunsell]

here is an example with a true "Steel" profile with the material set to Steel 45-345 as @barthbradley suggested. the material is the same as a standard column.

[barthbradley]

Are you talking about Steel Connections? Are you trying to mount individual Steel Connections along a wavey surface? I'd approach that with a Steel Connection Family repeated along divided Adaptive Spline.  Are you familiar with this method?  

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2017/EN...

[martijn_pater]

@barthbradley please do tell 😉 can you make a screencast? Would love to know myself how you would do that

Edit: copied below from other topic, I thought it might be interesting here aswell how to make a family from an in place model, wondering how that works with curvature:

-Create a model in place

-Model what you want

-Create a model group of what you want to be a family

! Don't exit the in place dialog

- Search for your model group in the project browser

- Right-click 'save group'

- Now you can save it as a Revit family .rfa

- Load that family into your project

- You can now copy the family without taking excessive amounts of space and control it from the .rfa file

[barthbradley]

Don't want to do a screencast, but does this quickie help? 

...one more:

[khalili_masoomeh]

still its not what i want, I didn't mean Connections i meant just wanted to place a steel profile family along that edge . by Model in place sweep we can have the length of the profile that we modeled by sweep? 

that method you mentioned above about adaptive is interesting it will be useful in projects , i didn't know about this  , thanks