Phasing, Fire Rating and Hatch Patterns

Phasing, Fire Rating and Hatch Patterns

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Phasing, Fire Rating and Hatch Patterns

Anonymous
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Hi everyone. I don't ask a lot of questions, and please forgive me if these questions have been posed before, but I have done my best to make sure this is a unique series of questions. As implied, this is a multi-part cry for help. 

1. I have view filters set up to show fire rating on certain walls. I have been instructed to show fire rating on a Concrete wall that already has a fill pattern....meaning it needs to show both, the fill pattern for the Concrete AND the Fire Rating. Is this possible?

2. This is a Renovation project, and there are a series of walls that are not being demolished, but will have a fire rating added to them. The walls are not getting stripped to the studs, but will have Gyp added to them. What would be the best way to approach this without "demo'ing" the entire wall in revit?

I'm struggling to come up with good solutions!

Thank you in advance for any response!!

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Sahay_R
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1) The pattern from the filter WILL override the concrete pattern of the wall

2) Don't demo the walls in the demo plan - keynote them in Demo and New Construction plans instead


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Anonymous
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Hi Rina, 

Thank you for replying.  

 

1.  I know the filter overrides the pattern of the concrete.  My dilemma is to find a way for BOTH to show.  

 

2.  The problem with the walls that are changing is that i need them to show as non-rated in the existing and demo plans, but Rated in the new plans without demo'ing the wall.  

 

Thanks

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ToanDN
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@Anonymous wrote:

Hi everyone. I don't ask a lot of questions, and please forgive me if these questions have been posed before, but I have done my best to make sure this is a unique series of questions. As implied, this is a multi-part cry for help. 

1. I have view filters set up to show fire rating on certain walls. I have been instructed to show fire rating on a Concrete wall that already has a fill pattern....meaning it needs to show both, the fill pattern for the Concrete AND the Fire Rating. Is this possible?

 

Set the wall's Coarse scale pattern to indicate Fire rating.  Duplicate the view, hide everything except for walls, and override the Cut pattern under VG to show concrete, change the view to Wireframe.  Overlay two views on Sheet.  

2. This is a Renovation project, and there are a series of walls that are not being demolished, but will have a fire rating added to them. The walls are not getting stripped to the studs, but will have Gyp added to them. What would be the best way to approach this without "demo'ing" the entire wall in revit?

 

Duplicate the wall type so that you can add teh fire tape with out affecting the other existing walls of the same type.  Create Parts from the existing wall and assign the layers to be demolished, set the view to show Parts and they look correct on demo plans without the Fire tape pattern.  On new plans should set to Show originals, phase filter = Show complete to show the Fire rating on the existing walls, create a filter to change the graphics of the untouched existing wall to match existing condition (halftone or whatever).  Note that you cannot use Phase filter override to display the existing because it will make the existing walls with new fire tape look incorrect.



I'm struggling to come up with good solutions!

Thank you in advance for any response!!


 

Message 5 of 19

cboden
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this is ridiculous. if revit's supposed to be an architectural drafting platform, it needs a fundamental understanding of what we need it to do.

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ToanDN
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The question was asked and answered 6 years ago.  Now things have changed. Start a new topic and ask your own questions there for better answers.

Message 7 of 19

RobDraw
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@cboden wrote:

this is ridiculous. if revit's supposed to be an architectural drafting platform, it needs a fundamental understanding of what we need it to do.


First off, Revit is not a drafting program.

 

You can tell Autodesk about it on the Product Feedback page. If you want to find a way to do it, ask a question.


Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.
Message 8 of 19

cboden
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semantics. it's intended as a platform to describe buildings, which is still done in drawing form. Until that changes, revit needs to help us do our jobs.

Message 9 of 19

cboden
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don't think it's changed in this respect - still can't show firetape + wall hatch afaik.

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ToanDN
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Yes it has.  But you can believe whatever you believe.

Message 11 of 19

cboden
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ok - you could try and be helpful and let us know how we can provide a line of firetape in a rated wall and still see a hatch (cmu, concrete, etc). but we haven't found a way yet. happy to be proven wrong or misinformed.

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RobDraw
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@cboden wrote:

semantics. it's intended as a platform to describe buildings, which is still done in drawing form. Until that changes, revit needs to help us do our jobs.


No, AutoCAD is a drafting program. Revit is a modeling program that can generate drawings. It is limited in the drafting department. You have to learn to work within the limits of the program. If you think Revit needs to help you, you're doing it wrong, sorry.


Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.
Message 13 of 19

cboden
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well, until GCs and permitting departments take models as submissions, then Revit needs to get with the program. Revit's here to assist us in making buildings - we're not here to help Revit model on its terms. What a strange way of thinking about this profession.

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ToanDN
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I already said this thread had expired. Start your own thread.

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cboden
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ah, so choosing to not be helpful. cool.

there are many threads on this topic already - one more won't help.

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ToanDN
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Cool over here too. Enjoy not being able to get what you want while others can.

 

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RobDraw
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It's a long wait for features that may never happen. Your thoughts are belong in the Product Feedback forum. This forum is about solutions. I don't do Architecture but there's more than one way to present the information that you want without waiting. It's up to you to choose which one gets the job done. I know it's an odd way of thinking but my job requires that I get it done. If I can't get it done, it's my fault for not finding a solution. I don't get paid for requesting new features. 


Rob

Drafting is a breeze and Revit doesn't always work the way you think it should.
Message 18 of 19

Jeremy.Van.Ryswyk
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Does the red hatch move with the wall or is it that drafting one that looks funny when moved on the wall? Think I found the answer. In course it moves. Fine it dosnt. How do I delete this. There's an align to element function!

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ToanDN
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@Jeremy.Van.Ryswyk wrote:

Does the red hatch move with the wall or is it that drafting one that looks funny when moved on the wall? Think I found the answer. In course it moves. Fine it dosnt. How do I delete this. There's an align to element function!


The red hatch is a property of the wall, not a separate element.

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