Phase Mapping not lining up in View Templates

[TyBuhr]

I am having some serious issues with a 4 Phase Project.  All Linked Models contain the same Phases and are all mapped accordingly.  In my View Templates I have the Phase for the Linked Models to be "By Host" but when I look at the Phase Properties the Link takes on, its either the latest Phase or New Construction depending on the Link.  If I don't get this to work then I will have to duplicate my View Templates for each Phase which is incredibly inefficient.  If someone has any tips on this it would sure be appreciated.

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Thanks in advance for your time.

[Mirko.Jurcevic]

I can't guess why this won't work but I noticed that you use Custom settings without any change compared to the <By host view> settings.

I can tell you that you should double check you phase mapping but I assume you did this.

[TyBuhr]

Thanks for the reply! Yeah I double checked the Phase Mapping and
everything seems to be mapped properly between the links. It doesn't matter
if I have it set to custom or to by host view, it still doesn't match up the
Phasing accordingly. Any other ideas?



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[Mirko.Jurcevic]

Yeah, I have the same idea you do: create separate view templates for each phase, but you said it will take too much time.

I don't know why Revit doesn't use Phase properties from the view template properly.

-OR-

you can remove RVT Links from the view template (in that way, Revit will use <By host> view by default) and try with that. If that works correctly, I thought of managing everything (every phase and phase filter in each view in the host file) through the sorted table (View List)...

[ToanDN · Accepted solution]

Have you tried to custom the one instance of the link instead of the master link by expand the plus sign next to it?

[michael.coviello]

@ToanDN  this does sound like a possible cause of the issue.  @TyBuhr,  Please let us know if this resolves the issue for you.  If so,  

please click the "Accept as Solution" button on the previous post by @ToanDN. This helps everyone find answers more quickly!

Thank you

[TyBuhr]

I have tried everything mentioned in this thread and still no luck.  I have talked with the BIM Managers from the other Disciplines involved on this project and the MEP BIM Manager said he had seen this before and they had to create a View Template for every View for each Phase.  I really REALLY want to avoid doing that.  It's very odd to me how Phase Mapping through links doesn't work as it should.  This is a huge inconvenience especially on a Phased Project such as this.

If anyone else has any possible solutions it would sure be appreciated!

@ToanDN @michael.coviello @Mirko.Jurcevic

[michael.coviello]

@TyBuhr  I've been trying to recreate your scenario today and I think I understand your problem.  Please let me know.

For the link instances that do not display correctly, does the order of project phases match the host file in the Phasing dialog box?

You can check this by opening the link that does not display correctly when using "By Host", Then on the Manage Tab, click phases.

Compare the order of phases related to the host file. 

[TyBuhr]

Thanks for the idea. I opened up the Model in question and the Project
Phases are set up exactly like our Model. Please note this is an issue with
all links in the Project, not just this one.


I'm open to any other ideas on what might be happening here.


Thanks for your time, it is greatly appreciated.



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[TyBuhr]

Thanks for the idea.  I opened up the Model in question and the Project Phases are set up exactly like our Model.  Please note this is an issue with all links in the Project, not just this one.

I’m open to any other ideas on what might be happening here.

Thanks for your time, it is greatly appreciated @michael.coviello

[ToanDN · Accepted solution]

I did a simple test and it seems thing is working as expected.  The Phase listing under Template's / RVT Link Display Settings/ Basic / Phase never changes to the active View's Phase but other than that the link Phase is changed accordingly to match the host.

[TyBuhr]

@ToanDN @michael.coviello

My apologies guys!  This seems to be working just fine!  I was so focused on why the link wasn't displaying the proper Phase in the template properties that I totally missed the boat on the model actually showing correctly.  Problem is solved on this end as far as I can see!  I sure appreciate you all helping me out on this, you saved me a LOT of time recreating templates!

One final question for you guys if you have time is:

Why doesn't the master link work when changed to "Custom" and Phasing to "By Host"?  This only works when the master link is set to by host, and the graphical overrides have to be applied by the instance.  I guess I just don't understand what the "instance" is.  To recap...  The master link has to be set to "By Host" when working with phased projects?  All custom overrides have to be done to the instance only?

Again, I sure appreciate your help guys!  Thanks so much.

[ToanDN]

Master links control the visibility of the links globally. For example, if
you want to hide a certain workset, or a certain category of the links
entirely in the host. This will affect every view.

Instances are view based so that things like Phase and Phase filters should
be governed by instances.
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-Toan

[michael.coviello · Accepted solution]

I can see how this causes confusion since the UI does not indicate the correct information under Template's / RVT Link Display Settings/ Basic /  when link is set to "By host view"

@ToanDN  The link does updates as it should and as you mentioned, the UI does not indicate the state of the active view.

"The Phase listing under Template's / RVT Link Display Settings/ Basic / Phase never changes to the active View's Phase but other than that the link Phase is changed accordingly to match the host."

This may be happening because the view template dialog is not looking at the active view.  The same behavior also happens with other parameters being controlled by the host.

This issue is logged for the development team to investigate.   Thank you for reporting this issue.

Perhaps if the view specific information cannot be accurately displayed in the UI, one possibility is the dialog box ONLY indicate <By host view> when link is set to "By host view" or "custom"|<By host view>  rather than <By host view> (Phase xx)

 

• Phase

• Phase Filter
• Detail level
• Discipline

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[TyBuhr]

Ok but if this is the case, should this not be editable outside of View Templates.  To me the View Template itself should be considered the instance.  A global setting or the "Master Link" shouldn't even live in the View Template interface.  Do you know what I mean?  I am probably looking at this in the wrong way but this just doesn't make sense to me.  At the end of the day the problem has been solved thanks to you guys, I just am still a little unclear on why it works this way.

Thanks a lot @ToanDN