New Construction reveals showing in Existing phase

[Anonymous]

I have a project where we will be re-skinning an existing structure. We have existing, previous construction, and new construction phases. All model elements are assigned to the correct phase except I have found that wall reveals cannot be assigned to a specific phase. Instead, they are assigned to a specific wall within a phase. The walls that have reveals shown are in new construction only, but the reveals on those walls are showing in the existing phases as well (without the wall they are attached to / floating in space). There is no view template and even if I change the visibility/graphics settings to turn off the reveals, they still show. There are no graphic overrides applied to the objects either. The only way I have found to remove them from view is to hide them all individually with "hide in view." Some of them are not even visible but I can still select them or highlight them when I scroll over their location.

Is this a bug or is there a way to change the behavior of wall reveals? 

[barthbradley]

I can phase sweeps. Is your Phase Filter set correctly? 

[Anonymous]

I attached screenshots showing my options for reveals and my phase filters. Specifically, I am working on demo elevations when I first noticed the problem which we use the "Previous + Demo" where new construction is not shown

[ToanDN]

I got the same result as you do.  You can select all the new reveals and create a selection filter, add it to the view filter to hide them.

[barthbradley]

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@ToanDN wrote:

I got the same result as you do.  You can select all the new reveals and create a selection filter, add it to the view filter to hide them.

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Huh? Both you guys have got me going. I just did a test and sweeps place in new construction are not displayed existing phases where the host wall originates from. What am I missing here? 

[ToanDN]

I cannot REVEAL what you are missing, bud.

[Anonymous]

It definitely works to hide them this way as well. Or as simple as selecting them all -> saving the selection -> then hide in view by elements (or category). 

I guess my initial question was asking whether or not you could control the visibility of reveals from the get-go (through phasing) instead of having to manually hide them through some alternate method. It seems like some people can and some people can't? So it sounds like I might be missing something still

[ToanDN]

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@Anonymous wrote:

I guess my initial question was asking whether or not you could control the visibility of reveals from the get-go (through phasing) instead of having to manually hide them through some alternate method. It seems like some people can and some people can't? So it sounds like I might be missing something still

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You are not missing anything.  Looks like Revit is to blame.

Since you can phase wall sweeps, how about not using wall reveals, but instead, using wall sweeps with negative offset or a reversed profile?  Then the new wall sweeps will not show in demo views, and you can hide them in new construction views by turn off Wall cornice subcategory.

[barthbradley]

..use could always create an "infill" sweep (negative offset)  for the existing condition only and then join the infill to the wall to remove the visible edges.  

..Just curious @Anonymous: how are the reveals being created. Are you not adding materiel onto the existing walls to create them? I mean, your not actually cutting them out of the walls in the field, are you? Sounds like you may be adding a new wall layer (maybe brick) to the existing walls.  You get where I'm going, right? 

[Anonymous]

We have a precast concrete wall that will be demolished and replaced with metal panels in most areas. We set the precast to "demo" and then redraw the new wall in its place for "new construction." The metal panel wall type has material built into it and it is assigned to the new construction phase. From there, I create a reveal through the Architecture tab -> Wall -> Wall: Reveal -> then place on the metal panel wall. The profile of the reveal cuts out the portion of the wall with the profile dimension (in this case either 1/2" or 3/4"). It appears how we want it in the new construction phase for all views.

[Anonymous]

This method would help avoid the extra step if you want to toggle between phases per drawing. I do this a lot when putting together drawings, so something tied into phasing would be the best way to go. In that case, a reverse sweep sounds like a good idea

[ToanDN]

If the reveals are uniform then you could build them into the wall type.

[Anonymous]

Unfortunately, there are too many areas that the reveals change with this project, otherwise that would be a great way to go!

[barthbradley]

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@Anonymous wrote:

We have a precast concrete wall that will be demolished and replaced with metal panels in most areas. We set the precast to "demo" and then redraw the new wall in its place for "new construction." The metal panel wall type has material built into it and it is assigned to the new construction phase. From there, I create a reveal through the Architecture tab -> Wall -> Wall: Reveal -> then place on the metal panel wall. The profile of the reveal cuts out the portion of the wall with the profile dimension (in this case either 1/2" or 3/4"). It appears how we want it in the new construction phase for all views.

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So the walls are being replaced in new construction, and those new replacement walls are hosting your reveals. Then how do the reveals show up in PRE-construction phases? Their host wall doesn't exist yet.    

[Anonymous]

That was exactly the reason for my post. It doesn't make sense to me why they would show up without their host walls in a phase that they aren't even linked to... So we will confirm that this is just an issue with Revit until proven otherwise!

[ToanDN]

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So the walls are being replaced in new construction, and those new replacement walls are hosting your reveals. Then how do the reveals show up in PRE-construction phases? Their host wall doesn't exist yet.    

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They do and that's why this thread exists. 

[barthbradley]

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@Anonymous wrote:

 So we will confirm that this is just an issue with Revit until proven otherwise!

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Well, I can prove it doesn't happen to me. Maybe @ToanDN can also confirm.  

[ToanDN]

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@barthbradley wrote:

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Well, I can prove it doesn't happen to me. Maybe @ToanDN can also confirm.  

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It does not happen if the Reveals are built in the Wall Type.  It happens if the Reveals are placed manually.

[barthbradley]

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@ToanDN wrote:They do and that's why this thread exists. 

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SO WHAT DOES THAT PROVE?! So there's an infill. Big deal. It 's not visible or cutting anything. 

[Anonymous]

It matters because I can see the edges of some of the reveals, therefore adding elements to a drawing that shouldn't be there. I don't know know why only some of the reveals show, but at least all of them are present and selectable in the wrong phase, even if they aren't visible.