Nested curtain panels in wrong phase, don't change with parent

[Anonymous]

I have a curtain wall composed of an outer curtain wall family (for perimeter conditions) and the panel of that family type is a second curtain wall family (for mullions and panels). It models perfectly, except that the mullions and panels in the inner curtain wall family don't respond to the phase-created property of the outer curtain wall family. The inner curtain system does adopt the correct phase-created, but the elements inside the inner curtain system do not. And, of course, since these are curtain elements, the phase-created property is grayed out so I cannot mofidy directly.

Is there any way to trick Revit into fixing this bug?

(don't tell me about using a single curtain wall family for this, it won't solve my problem.)

[Judy_S]

Hi, Chris,

I'm Judy, a Revit specialist, and I saw you have a question about nested curtain wall families and thier phasing properties. I'll be glad to see if I can help you with this question. I didn't quite understand what you meant by "The inner curtain system does adopt the correct phase-created, but the elements inside the inner curtain system do not" so I wonder if you can clarify that for me. If you could also post the family with the nested family inside it, I'll have a look at it.  

Cheers,

Judy Staicer

[Anonymous]

See in attached that the inner curtain wall does not change its phase to match the host, and I cannot modify it manually.

[ToanDN · Accepted solution]

I donlt know why it happened but you can cut and paste in the same place then it will be fixed.

[Anonymous]

Well, that sucks if you have them tagged or dimensioned, but I guess at least it's a fix. Definitely a bug that should be addressed though.

Thanks -

[ToanDN]

I can replicate it:
- Draw a curtain wall in Phase 1
- Unlock a component (panel, frame, or mullion)
- Change the unlocked component to a different type
- Change the curtain wall to Phase 2

Result?
The modified component stays in Phase 1.

[Anonymous]

Cut and paste didn't solve my problem BUT using the Match Properties Tool on the offending individual panels did!

[Anonymous]

Thanks Toan for letting us know the solution to yet another obscure Revit bug!

[mg3QPDZ]

Writing in 2021, using Revit 2022. The problem persists.

[nadyaFCW3U]

Try to use Storefront instead of Curtain wall.

I had the same issue in my project. Converting the curtain walls to storefront solved the problem. I use Revit 2021. 

[ahannerX5E95]

@ToanDN  Is there a workaround for the error received when trying to cut and paste?  (attached image, Revit 2021)

[StewardsDD]

Autodesk posted that they are investigating and suggest the copy/paste-in-same-place method as the workaround.

Nested curtain wall elements do not change when wall phase is changed in Revit | Revit 2019 | Autode...

[Roger_SkullestadT2QHB]

It shouldn't be needed for these bugs to stay there for 10 years without being addressed when people keep sending in reports and detailed ways to replicate the issue. The copy paste does not work for all situations since you cant cut paste the inner parts of a curtain wall like that - and if I cut paste the whole curtain wall it actually worsened the situation making more of the elements 'new construction'. The match properties simply dont work as well as there is nothing to match it to - every 'nested' element of that same type becomes 'new construction'

[ToanDN]

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@Roger_SkullestadT2QHB wrote:

It shouldn't be needed for these bugs to stay there for 10 years without being addressed when people keep sending in reports and detailed ways to replicate the issue. The copy paste does not work for all situations since you cant cut paste the inner parts of a curtain wall like that - and if I cut paste the whole curtain wall it actually worsened the situation making more of the elements 'new construction'. The match properties simply dont work as well as there is nothing to match it to - every 'nested' element of that same type becomes 'new construction'

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You need to split the main curtain wall where the phase breaks, select curtain wall segments, cut, and paste them in a view under the phase you need them in.

[Bryce_Brown]

It seems like this issue was not resolved in the 2023 release--will it be included in 2024? Why are customers being used as lab rats. 

[phillip_bridges]

Yes i am having the same problem in revit 2023, i cant cut and paste because it will break too many things. Is there another solution

[gibbsjv]

Using Revit 2025, problem is still here