Need model for sill sealer

[Anonymous]

Hello all,

I have been tasked with building one of our builders homes in Revit. My boss wants everything modeled. Down to the last stud, joist hanger, anchor bolt, etc. I'm okay with this as it should be easy enough (cookie cutter homes). However, I am at a loss while trying to find/put the sill sealer down on the foundation walls. Is there something that I am missing? Is there a model for sill sealer? Do I need to manually build model it myself? I'd really appreciate some help.

[ToanDN]

You mean these stuff?

[constantin.stroescu]

You can use two or more Floor Types with different material layers. On the type placed under the walls use a Membrane Layer with Seal Material create in Material Browser ( as in my screencast) with Identity  and Thermal Parameters. Fill the spaces from these tables  with desired parameters and information about type quality , producer and so on...Make a material Schedule to extract the quantities.

You can also use : Create Parts for floors...

[barthbradley]

You ask a valid question.  May I asked why you don't just ask your boss directly? Perhaps he holds some misconception. Obviously, he has a reason. Find out what it is. Maybe you can propose a more effective and efficient workflow. 

Good luck.  

[Anonymous]

Toan, yes I mean that stuff. Is there a revit model or a way to create it?

[Anonymous]

I wouldn't mind being able to just change the layers of a wall or floor to fit my needs. Sadly we are looking to take these houses and have them built piece by piece in Revit. Then have them be easily accessible to all of our different departments in Revit. So, siding, wall panels, truss, estimating, insulation, windows, trim, etc... all of these different departments will be looking at the same model and have the same dimensions, instead of each one doing their own measurements and coming up with different values, counts, RO placements, etc. It is my job to build and maintain these master files of the different homes we build and supply materials for, while also educating the rest of the departments when the time comes to put this plan into action. My boss has asked me specifically to build these in a manner, where every piece we supply is present as it's own model. I am not in the business of telling my boss no. We will also be exporting to Navisworks, but that's a whole'nother bag of fun to deal with when we get there.

[constantin.stroescu · Accepted solution]

You can made a family : Generic Model Adaptative  with Material parameters and then place it you want to on the Work Level

[Anonymous]

Thank you Constantin. I will give that a shot and if it works I will update as my solution.

[ToanDN]

You could you Wall Foundation.  The issue it the width is always at least matching the wall thickness or more.  So if you have a 8" wall and set the sill to 6", the sill still becomes 8".

[constantin.stroescu]

Making it as a family allows using it in different projects and the material applied to make it easy scheduable...

[ToanDN]

Another option is use Railing.  Railing can follow slopes so it is a plus.  The size is quite flexible with different profiles as well.

[barthbradley]

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@Anonymous wrote:

I am not in the business of telling my boss no. 

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Justin: I wasn’t advocating confronting your boss and telling him “no”. I was looking at it the same way you were, and wondering why he wants caulking beads modeled.

I’ve been in the residential building sector for over 25 years; transitioning from AutoCAD to Revit beginning in 2008. I’ve never modeled caulking, nor seen any firm that does. When it’s called-out in CDs, it is always been in 2D and distinguished by a different line weight and pattern. But, then again, I have never modeled flashing before last year. As Bob Dylan sang: The Times They Are A Changin’.

Anyways, I find it interesting, and would sincerely like to understand the benefits of modeling sill sealer. 

P.S.: it sounds like you are in premanufactured homes. Is that right?  

[Anonymous]

Brad,



I know you weren't telling me to tell him no. I was more joking about that than anything. I work for a lumberyard and as such we aren't using Revit in the traditional sense. We supply many builders in our area with all sorts of lumber related products for their building needs. There are a few companies that build a very large amount of the same homes and for them we supply prefabricated wall panels as well.



My job here with Revit is to model each 'home model' that we supply parts for. All the way down to the last anchor bolt, stud, and yes even the sill sealer. We don't use caulking here though, we use a foam liner that sits between the poured foundation/walls and the treated sill plate. I need it in there on it's own because eventually all of these houses will be exported to navisworks and used for takeoffs and pricing.

[Sahay_R]

@Anonymous - another thought - create a wall type with a very low height, manipulate top and bottom offsets to place it in the desired location. 

The other way would be to take the super low wall type that you have just created and add it to your foundation wall type as a stacked wall. Fewer steps to take, but stacked walls present their own set of challenges....

[ToanDN]

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@rsahayUZMK9 wrote:

@Anonymous - another thought - create a wall type with a very low height, manipulate top and bottom offsets to place it in the desired location. 

The other way would be to take the super low wall type that you have just created and add it to your foundation wall type as a stacked wall. Fewer steps to take, but stacked walls present their own set of challenges....

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Walls cannot be shorter than 30 mm or one inch plus a fraction.

[Sahay_R]

Rats. Well it was worth a try.

Then why not add a Sweep to the wall? Or has someone already mentioned that before me?

[ToanDN]

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@rsahayUZMK9 wrote:

Rats. Well it was worth a try.

Then why not add a Sweep to the wall? Or has someone already mentioned that before me?

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No.  You are first.

With that, I think @Anonymous has been given enough options if he needs to start modeling the sill sealer.

[Sahay_R]

That's another first - modeling the sill sealer!

[chrisplyler]

Of all the possible methods, I think the easiest is to just add a sweep into the wall type's structure, down at the bottom, representing the sill sealer.

However, I don't know if that will satisfy the boss' crazy need to have everything be "its own model." What does the boss mean by that?

[Anonymous]

I guess it means that if need be, we can isolate just the sill sealer and see how much of it (in LF) we need per home we are designing. I'll get around to it after the holidays and pick a solution next week.