Missing elements on the printed PDF with vector processing

[Anonymous]

When I print using Vector settings - some elements disappear "behind" other elements. Like in an example below demolished lines are no longer visible "behind" the wall. I use two views placed in the same place on the sheet, so one of the views supposed to be seen as an "underlay".

Using raster printing is not a preferable choice.

As seen on the screen (or Raster print).As printed with Vector settings - missing lines.

[Ilic.Andrej]

I don't know why you find this as a problem. The right image is descriptive enough.

[Kimtaurus]

You say you're using 2 views? Can't this be done with 1 view?

Right now, elements of the top view will obscure the bottom view.

You could try and set the top view to wireframe, 'cause with hidden lines the white of the wall will obscure other elements.

[Anonymous]

"Wireframe" did not helped.

"Transparency" 100% does not help.


To answer why it is not 1 view - because we must show elements on the current floor as if we were looking up; and elements on the floor above as if we were looking down 🙂
And so I read on forums that "Underlay" function is meant only for modelling, not presentation - therefore workaround needed with 2 views on sheet on the same place.

[Kimtaurus]

You can use the underlay function for presentation, I don't see why you shouldn't.

[Corsten.Au]

Hi

one of the workaround is to give Transparency " 50%" to all the walls ( Wall Category ) in the view...

and see if this helps you..

If the demolished elements are in lower level, then make sure the view range are correct

and capturing all the elements which you want to show..

You may have different views for showing demolition / dashed elements and final floor plans ..

Cheers!

[Anonymous]

@Kimtaurususing "Underlay" function has its limitations, like I am not able to define Cut plane for Underlay view.

[Anonymous]

@Corsten.Au  "Transparency" does not help.

[Anonymous]

I feel the discussion goes off-topic. I want to know why my Vector print does not represent what I see on the screen.

[Rafal.Gaweda]

Hi @Anonymous

Can you send us \ attach this file \ part of this file with the issue to investigate?

[Anonymous]

@Rafal.Gaweda
Attached.

[Kimtaurus · Accepted solution]

The attached pdf was made by using level -1 as an underlay. Graphically it looks the same to me, so I don't see why you can't use the underlay.

If you want the underlay lines darker, you can change this Manage > Additional Settings > Halftone/Underlay.

Concerning the fact that Revit does't print what you see: we've had the same issue.

On screen Revit showed the solid surface pattern of a beam in a underlay, but it wouldn't print. 95% of the time Revit is "what you see, is what you get" 5% of the time, Revit likes to be "rebellious". Thus we're stuck using work-arounds.

[Rafal.Gaweda · Accepted solution]

Hi @Anonymous

The issue is related to placing one view on another. The sequence, in which the views are placed on the sheet is responsible for how the views are stacked on top of each other. So the lastly placed view hides the view which is below.

You may try to delete underlay view from sheet, then place it again on top of existing view, then edit this underlay view and use override graphics turning off visibility of Patterns for floors and walls.

Using Underlay as suggested by @Kimtaurus is the best way to avoid raster print.

[Anonymous]

@Rafal.Gaweda
Thanks for the solution
Should it be reported as a bug? Because I think it is confusing when print becomes different than what I see on the screen.

[Rafal.Gaweda]

Hi @Anonymous

I will file it to dev team.

[Arno.delange]

Printing in Revit to PDF is horrible, in vector doesn't show properly (no WYSIWYG)and in raster the quality is just bad.

[Corsten.Au]

In raster you can control the quality ..
Presentation mode will give u high quality ..

1. Try to print in 100% scale , means on the same paper size of the sheet size..
2. If you print 50% or other reduced size on raster, then the quality of print also reduces to 50% ..
3.. Vector prints are for consultants to check measurements , it’s not a presentation mode..
4. Raster is for presentation and final prints...( for print submission etc )

Vector prints are bad quality only when too many 2d hatch, solid hatch, masking and shortcut 2d elements are used instead of actual 3d modelling which Revit is built for...

Normal Revit 3d model with annotations ( default ones like room tag, wind tag, grids, dimension ) etc gives amazing output in print. ( vector or raster )

Best of luck

Cheers

[Arno.delange]

I will give raster another try.
We only use real 3D geometrie..we do use a lot of filters

[jagostinho74]

Having the exact same problem.

We cannot either use Raster Processing as the quality degrades significantly and the drawings become undreadable.