MEP Openings - Linked models

[Nick_Al]

Hi All,

The source of my problem is that I want to allow the MEP engineers to add openings in the architectural model.

I have seen several posts defending the idea that MEP or civil engineers shall not change the architectural model but what if they just propose modifications (add, change) on openings? Why not?

Why using the clash detection to add openings when there is the copy monitor tool that shall do exactly what we want?

Back to my workflow:

I have an architectural model linked in the MEP model

I copy/monitor the walls

Creating an opening using the “edit profile” tool

Error message “Coordination Monitor alert: Missing Sketch” (normal as my arch model does not have the opening)

Back to my Arch model, and linking the MEP model (annoying that the copy monitor walls are duplicated)

Making my coordination review, one difference found: Missing sketch (normal)

Possible actions: do nothing or copy the sketch

Choosing to copy the sketch but nothing happens..

What am I doing wrong?

PS: I am pretty sure that there is another workflow for creating openings from linked models, but apart from the expensive plug-ins, I didn’t find it yet, any idea?

[Nick_Al]

Hi All,

The source of my problem is that I want to allow the MEP engineers to add openings in the architectural model.

I have seen several posts defending the idea that MEP or civil engineers shall not change the architectural model but what if they just propose modifications (add, change) on openings? Why not?

Why using the clash detection to add openings when there is the copy monitor tool that shall do exactly what we want?

Back to my workflow:

I have an architectural model linked in the MEP model

I copy/monitor the walls

Creating an opening using the “edit profile” tool

Error message “Coordination Monitor alert: Missing Sketch” (normal as my arch model does not have the opening)

Back to my Arch model, and linking the MEP model (annoying that the copy monitor walls are duplicated)

Making my coordination review, one difference found: Missing sketch (normal)

Possible actions: do nothing or copy the sketch

Choosing to copy the sketch but nothing happens..

What am I doing wrong?

PS: I am pretty sure that there is another workflow for creating openings from linked models, but apart from the expensive plug-ins, I didn’t find it yet, any idea?

[RDAOU]

@Nick_Al

A question which may solve your issue ...

Instead of editing wall profile to create an opening...Did you try to cute those openings differently using void elements and/or wall based insert?

1. Can be a generic family
2. OR a door/window family (just delete the door or window and leave the opening) 

[RDAOU]

@Nick_Al

A question which may solve your issue ...

Instead of editing wall profile to create an opening...Did you try to cute those openings differently using void elements and/or wall based insert?

1. Can be a generic family
2. OR a door/window family (just delete the door or window and leave the opening) 

[Nick_Al]

Same problem..
When I insert a door on the copy/monitor wall and going back to my arch model, in the coordination review, the new opening is detected but in the "actions" I have only the choice of "do nothing".

The first solution, putting a face based family and copy/monitor them on the arch model was creating the opening but as the copy/monitor is not copying instance parameters, I had to create a different type for each opening..

[Nick_Al]

Same problem..
When I insert a door on the copy/monitor wall and going back to my arch model, in the coordination review, the new opening is detected but in the "actions" I have only the choice of "do nothing".

The first solution, putting a face based family and copy/monitor them on the arch model was creating the opening but as the copy/monitor is not copying instance parameters, I had to create a different type for each opening..

[kathryn.langan · Accepted solution]

Hi Nick,

It sounds like what you are describing where the option to copy the sketch is present but nothing happens is something that has been previously logged with our development team. Unfortunately the sketching is not bi-directional with copy/monitor - it is something that our developers are investigating for the future.

If modeling the openings with void families is working I would suggest continuing that in the meantime.

I am sorry for the trouble this causes to your workflow. If you have any additional feedback about the behavior I would suggest providing comments at our Feedback Site.

[kathryn.langan · Accepted solution]

Hi Nick,

It sounds like what you are describing where the option to copy the sketch is present but nothing happens is something that has been previously logged with our development team. Unfortunately the sketching is not bi-directional with copy/monitor - it is something that our developers are investigating for the future.

If modeling the openings with void families is working I would suggest continuing that in the meantime.

I am sorry for the trouble this causes to your workflow. If you have any additional feedback about the behavior I would suggest providing comments at our Feedback Site.

[MichaelWolff]

Any news on this? Your entry dates  from 2016.

[MichaelWolff]

Any news on this? Your entry dates  from 2016.