Materials pattern disappear

[Anonymous]

Hi, i have a problem:

i created a material with patterns for the surface and cut. After, I add this material in my library. Look:

Now, the problem: Why my surface pattern desappeared when I visit my library materials in the new project or in another file? Look:

I don't understood yet.. thanks!

[barthbradley]

Materials can be named the same, but be completely different between Projects.  Use Transfer Project Standards to transfer Materials from one Project to another. 

[Anonymous]

I tested this, but dont work.. look:

All material I add in custom library dont have patterns when I created for then...

[barthbradley]

Did you Transfer Fill Patterns as well? 

[Anonymous]

Dont work... the problem is the library materials that don't keep the patterns...

[barthbradley]

Try transferring fill patterns first -- and then transfer materials.  That work? 

[Anonymous]

Dont work..

Maybe I got it wrong, I think the custom material library should keep the hatches. They already exist in the template file too..

[barthbradley · Accepted solution]

Maybe this is related:

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles...

[Anonymous]

I created new materials and add to library (with patterns). When I open a new file, the materials are there but still without the patterns... so, one question:

Should a library keep the patterns? Is it possible? Am I wrong about this?

Thanks for all your help.

[Anonymous]

I found this:

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-architecture-forum/cut-and-surface-patterns-missing-when-i-load...

So, don't keep automatically... 😓

[barthbradley]

We use transfer materials and fill patterns using Transfer Project Standards just fine.  Never had an issue that I can recall.  Seems like that's the consensus over at that other thread as well. 

[ToanDN · Accepted solution]

The fill patterns added to the materials exist in the project where you created the materials, but they may not exist, or may have a different definition in the project where you import the materials in.  The sure way is transfer project standards (materials and fill patterns) from the source project (where you see the materials display correctly) to your projects.

In case you want to understand why it is happening, Autodesk material libraries are shared among several Autodesk software, not just Revit.  The graphic tab of a material is a feature of Revit, but may not exist in other programs, so the tab  does not show when you look at a material in the library, and only shows when you import it in Revit.

[barthbradley]

So what is the solution here exactly? I notice my credit got bumped and given to Toan.  In reading his post, I don't see a different solution offered.  What am I missing?  

[Anonymous]

Sorry... thanks! for me, both are correct.

[polstad]

Process is as follows:

1. Within Revit options, go to the /Options/Rendering/Additional render appearance paths and map to your central rendering folder.  This will ensure images are not lost when pushing and pulling materials around from your source files.
2. Transfer project standards; fill patterns, from the material source file.
3. Following that, transfer Materials from the source material file.

If the materials already exist with the same name, you will want to purge them out if not used or rename them so they can be swapped out.  In my experience, if the material is already defined in the project without a pattern, simply transferring in the correct pattern will not automatically update the pattern definition in the existing material.  It is important to plan ahead before materials are defined to ensure a smooth transfer of material definitions.

Given this has been such an issue for so long, i really wish Autodesk would address this issue and update the way in which the ADSKLIB file is created to save the surface and cut patterns and image definitions.

We are leveraging materials more and more to support not only rendering but also QTO processes.

Hope this helps, cheers!

[s.borello]

His answer was more solution like, even though the information was the same... just my guess.  You both have offered the solution and I would have given you both credit in solving this issue. 

[Keith_Wilkinson]

Just looking at workflows for this.  Really what you are saying is that a material library is largely useless in Revit?  😁

Transfer project standards will work but arguably it's a heavy handed solution.  As a tool TPS lacks any finesse, it's an all or nothing approach which invariably means dragging in a load of stuff you don't want or need.  Granted you can purge it out but 

My current approach on this is to have a 'Material File' rather than a library, in that create swatches of each material in your office 'Library' - these can just be painted onto a floor or wall element, or if you want to be more robust then add it as a material to those elements, then you can just cut and paste from one file to the other.  The material along with any fill patterns will get transfered over.  Sure takes a bit of management but then so does just about everything else in RevitLand...