Masking Regions not changing with Phase filters

[juliemasko]

I recently upgraded to Revit 2019 and noticed when a construction phase filter (existing, demolition, temporary) is applied to a component, the masking region within that component doesn't change, it just stays solid white. It use to change with previous versions. Is there a fix to this, other than removing the masking region from all of my components?

[Avaris. · Accepted solution]

I never used masked regions in combination with phasing. They are 2D annotation objects and not meant to be phased. Just like detail lines and so on they are view specific.

Maybe it worked in older versions, but for now the best way is to delete them and make a view for the different phasings you want to show. Apply the masking regions only to views.

[juliemasko]

Thanks for the response Avaris. So this may be another forum question, but I was inputting a door as existing. In floor plans I want the door to appear 90 degree open, which I've been achieving with masking regions, because they only appear in the original view drawn. And in 3D or Perspective view I want the door to appear closed, which is how I have the door actually modeled, but the model is hidden in plan views.

My understanding is any model drawn in a family appears in 3D. I've tried adjusting the Visibility in the Family Type Parameters, but a simple yes/no box applies to the whole modeled item, not just a specific view. Right? Or can I apply {3D} parameters to the formula or something simpler?

[Avaris.]

No, that is not really possible, only when you make the detail levels different. You could model two doors; but you need to make sure to make the detail levels of your views different. Don't know if you want to do that?

[ToanDN]

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@juliemasko wrote:

Thanks for the response Avaris. So this may be another forum question, but I was inputting a door as existing. In floor plans I want the door to appear 90 degree open, which I've been achieving with masking regions, because they only appear in the original view drawn. And in 3D or Perspective view I want the door to appear closed, which is how I have the door actually modeled, but the model is hidden in plan views.

My understanding is any model drawn in a family appears in 3D. I've tried adjusting the Visibility in the Family Type Parameters, but a simple yes/no box applies to the whole modeled item, not just a specific view. Right? Or can I apply {3D} parameters to the formula or something simpler?

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What you described is how typical door families are built:

- symbolic lines, masking region present the door in plan views

- 3d geometries (built-in or nested in) present the door in 3D view and possibly, sections/elevations

[juliemasko]

Hmm, I was looking at the detail levels too, which yes would require some major restructuring to some views. Darn it!

[cbcarch]

FWIW:

-Industry Standard is for Existing Door Swings to be 45 degrees.

-New Construction Door Swing is 90 degrees.

Suggestion:

-Create an Existing Door Type, use Reference Lines and/or a dimension with a parameter for the swing angle, set to Type Parameter for Existing Door Families.

-Or, just assign an Instance Swing Angle Parameter to your standard door families, and set them in the project as needed. Place the existing doors on the existing phase w/ 45 degree swing angle.

[ToanDN]

Ditto.

[juliemasko]

Yes actually within my Door Family I have a 45 degree and 90 degree door. Which work great for plan views. My issue is in 3D they still show at an angle, where I want them shown closed regardless of their phase.

[cbcarch]

-In 3D Views, the Door Panel should be closed ( 180 deg.).

-Some complex Door Families have the Door Leaf Nested into the Door Family. If you have doors such as this, then visibility control is a bit more complex as well.

-The Door Swing in 2D should be created as symbolic lines, with visibility settings as desired.

-The Door Panel display can be turned off in VG for Reflected Ceiling Plans, etc.

[juliemasko]

Hmm, If I make the door detail lines in plan view, then it won't show the slab colour matching the phase, it would be transparent to the floor colour. Which isn't what I'm looking for either.

I have determined that in all floor plan Visual Styles, except Realistic, the masking regions do apply properly to the phases. It's only in Realistic view that they remain white, regardless of the phase applied.

If I make the angled door slab a model then it appears properly to it's phase in all visual styles, but I would need to adjust the Detail Level as Avaris mentioned it's looking like...