MAKE EVERYTHING VISIBLE, REMOVE HIDDEN ELEMENTS

[Anonymous]

Hi Developers,

Please remove option Reveal Hidden Elements, it's such a nuisance, and what is it for,

if we can always right click and hide un-hide elements anyway?

It's such an inconvenience to always press F£$$%G little Lamp button every time

I draw a pipe or something from plumbing sections.

It's stupid and illogical.

EVERYTHING SHOULD BE VISIBLE BY DEFAULT!!!

- We are premium paying customers, so this should be addressed please.

Leo 

[doni49]

I for one Reveal Hidden Elements OFTEN.  I temporarily routinely hide specific elements while I'm working on a different aspect of that view.  Then I use RHE to turn those elements back on.

Regarding your comment "EVERYTHING SHOULD BE VISIBLE BY DEFAULT!!!": everything IS on by default and stays that way until someone turns things off.

[Anonymous]

Oh yeah?
Then why when I start drawing pipes they are invisible by default.
And only after I press this small and lousy lamp button in the bottom of the screen (reveal hidden elements), and choose my pipes or ducts or some other items,
And press another button called UNHIDE ELEMENTS, and only after that I can see my pipes.
Visibility Graphics is ON everything.
I am using Revit 2017. Maybe in older versions it all works differently.
😉
Leo


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[doni49]

Piping is one area that I have yet to do much work in. So it could be that I just haven't come across it yet.

One question: when turning the pipes on, do you click UNHIDE ELEMENT or UNHIDE CATEGORY? If the latter, maybe your template is set to hide pipes.

[Anonymous]

Both,
Some elements activate unhide category, the other unhide element.



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[doni49]

Just to test my theory, I started a new rvt file and placed a new pipe.

It didn't show up.  When I look at my Visibility Graphics settings (type VV) for the view, "Pipes" are not shown.

As soon as I turn them on, I see my pipes -- without needing to use Reveal Hidden Elements.  Then I turned this setting off again and the pipes are gone.

I used Reveal Hidden Elements to UNHIDE CATEGORY and I'm able to see my pipes again -- and when I look at this setting again, it's set to display pipes again.

If I haven't specifically marked an element as hidden, I can only UNHIDE CATEGORY.  If you're able to UNHIDE ELEMENT, that indicates to me that at some point that element was specifically marked as hidden.

All of this indicates to me that if you update your template file so that pipes are on by default, you'll get what you're after.

[AnthonyViscusi]

I believe that this is more is a lack of standards / training issue.  If you setup a template for MEP work with all of the appropriate MEP categories on by default your views will look the way you want them.  Please look into View Templates and Assigning View Templates by default to View Types.  This will solve your problems, the software is working as intended.  The Reveal Hidden Elements is intended to show elements what have been overridden in the view via the right click menu.

[dplumb_BWBR]

I agree with Anthony. This sounds more like a standards / training issue to me.

We also use Reveal Hidden Elements frequently. 

Leo, just because you don't happen to use a particular tool doesn't mean it's of no use to others.

And, BTW, we are ALL paying customers. Adding that to yours posts really doesn't impress anyone.

[lionel.kai]

@doni49 is there a reason why you don't use Temporary Hide/Isolate instead? I've assigned keyboard shortcuts (IC/HC/IE/HE/HR as well as some other legacy shortcuts) to the commands and use them constantly. I only use the regular hide for elements that should stay off (and of course editing the View Template for categories that should stay off). Revit will even remind (when printing) if I forget to reset, whereas the persistent hide could be easily forgotten.

When there's no votes and 7 (now 8) comments, it's a pretty good indication this is in the wrong area.

@Anonymous Try posting future questions in the Revit MEP forum first (http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-mep/bd-p/188) until you get a little more experience on how Revit works (more-experienced Revit users can tell you if it's really a feature that needs to be added, or if you just need to be pointed in the right direction). Follow doni's and Anthony's advice above (don't forget to make sure "New views are dependent on template" is checked in your View Types). And above all, lose the attitude and the unnecessary colored text, and take a few deep breaths before posting. 🙂

[doni49]

Yes I do have (what I consider to be) a valid reason. I do this in views that are only for working on the model -- these views aren't shown on any prints/sheets.

I leave them set this way between sessions because I'm still working on that aspect of the model.

If I were to use the temp hide option, the hidden items will be back on the next time I open the model (at least that's been my understanding).

[lionel.kai]

@doni49 Thanks for the response! I'm thinking there's probably a few times where I should have done that, but I don't often do major changes that aren't finished in one session (but it's the exceptions that get ya!). I know I need to be more cognizant of the times I should be making a new working view.

[Alfredo_Medina]

It makes sense that some categories are off by default. That is why Revit provides templates, for Architecture, Structure, Plumbing/Fire Protection, and Mechanical. Not everybody is interested in seeing all the categories all the time. 

The Reveal Hidden Element feature is very useful. It allows the user to reveal elements by selection of items or categories, instead of revealing ALL elements at once. 

[chrisplyler]

Everything IS visible by default.

If you are in a view that has the Pipes category turned off, then it is because somebody changed the setting in that project or in the template file that it was started with.

I believe your issue is caused by, "Not knowing what the heck you're talking about."

[Alfredo_Medina]

Well, that is not correct. All templates have some categories off by default, depending on the purpose of the template. For example, the Structural template has the following categories off:

Casework
Ceilings
Curtain Panels
Curtain Systems
Electrical Equipment
Electrical Fixtures
Furniture
Furniture Systems
Lighting Fixtures
Mass
Parking
Parts
Planting
Site
Topography

[chrisplyler]

If you start with no template, everything is on by default.

As I said...any template file that has something turned off is that way because somebody made it that way.