learning to modelize

[Anonymous]

Hello !

please, i'm Learning Revit, and the Learning curve is very tough for me. i have only a few days left to learn it.

picture attached. can you please advise me a method to modelize such structure ? ( dark grey ) and such metallic facad ? ( beige )

i can't see what Tools should be involved, in the project i've created.

thanks

[rudi.roux]

Hi @Anonymous,

Welcome to the community! 

I recommended CADLearning. They have well structured Revit Structural Training and a bunch of other Autodesk Software Packages.

You'll be able to sign up for a free trail, go through the structural modeling videos which will provide you with the skills to create the I/H-beam connection/support. Also, regarding the sheeting, this is accomplished via Walls >> Curtain Walls >> Adding a Custom Profile to the Family Type. 

The same applies for the Roof >> Sloped Glazing >> Custom Profile added to the Family Type. 

My YouTube is giving me problems now so I can't post a direct link, do a YouTube search "Revit - Corrugated Sheeting" - There are a few good examples which show you how to accomplish this. There will be examples and additional videos on the CADLearning site too.

I hope this helps! 

[barthbradley]

I feel your pain dude. I’m learning to fly a plane, and the learning curve is very tough for me. I only a few days left to learn it.

Regarding your question, you can do all that “modelizing” with extrusions. Do you understand the concept?

BTW, I’ve been learning Revit for 7 years…and, I’m still learning.

[RDAOU]

@Anonymous

That's not learning and it can't be possible that one jumps to modeling such elements after a couple of days learning Revit!! If you take a proper Revit course and follow some tutorials you should be able to manage a simplified Version of such elements in a month or two.

If it is for a Job and you are looking for professional Service there are a few freelancers on this Forums who might be happy to help you for a fee

[Anonymous]

Thanks guys, at least, the community on this forum is nice and helpful.

"you should be able to manage a simplified Version of such elements in a month or two."

yeah that's it, i give up, it definitely means that revit is a joke ... no regret that i couldn't learn it in a month, thanks.

go make this model in revit  .... lol, thanksfully i had rhino and some other softs to do it, and it was 10 years ago. Revit can't do it or maybe requiring some experts who learned revit for 7 years, and who'll need 5 years to complete it when i just had two months :

https://argyroglo.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/arm150513-369.jpg?w=900&h=600

****, plenty softs work perfectly fine, but revit has no dignity and thanks to lobbying i guess, it imposes itself in several markets, public projects where we're forced to use a specific revit soft ... when it cannot even do the job. loool

and the other softs can, they work perfectly with no limitations and you can extract plans too.  it's really wasting time and money and creativity.

"your soft works perfectly, yes, well but drop it anyway, there's a new soft now".  non sense ....

i definitely hate revit, and nevermind if the architecture agencys tell me to learn revit if i want to work. i won't work for them then. architecture isn't a software, architecture is architecture.

[RDAOU]

@Anonymous

And on which team were you?

QNM was not 10 years ago! I was there during design, Tender, Award and the first two years of execution and GT Team from Gehry  Technologies and Tekla were the primary software ... and that pattern for the cladding was not finalized till late 2012 so I am not sure how you modeled it 10 years ago! 

You must have been the one who inspired Jean Nouvel ... You are not convincing 🙂 

PS: the same building has been modeled usinf revit 2016 and Dynamo

[Anonymous]

i was in the conception development team in Geneva, ten years ago, for the ateliers jean nouvel in paris where i worked before that. that's me who assembled and composed the discs all together. and extracted base plans out of it. team work but this was central.

then of course the project went through several other phases, and the structures were developped further with tekla etc ...

okay, some experts did a revit model ... well good luck lol ...

don't know what dynamo is. anyway, i hate revit, that's for sure. going back to useable softs.

[RDAOU]

@Anonymous

In 2005 One couldn't do that with Revit but that wasn't it cuz during concept and schematics those were just disks which were doable by most software. The argument was that at DD stage the complexity of the project will be at a level where no Autodesk software can handle...later in my opinion turned out to be a scam. 

Today Revit combined with Dynamo (and API) are by far better and more reliable in parametric design and as a BIM platform than GT, Tekla, Rhino and Grasshopper put together.

PS knowing most of the guys in JN's and Eric's team and being on several workshops in Geneva, Paris and Doha, I should know you! I never forget neither a face nor a name

[Anonymous]

well, i don't know you either, but many peoples worked there. maybe we crossed in time and you arrived later ?

i left eric maria's team when the sketch was almost done. questioning the fact that i was there or not ... loool. be sure i was there. and a year and a half at ajn, starting with the Louvre in 2006.

"I never forget neither a face nor a name" . well, you didn't see my face i think, since i don't have a profile picture, and i suppose that you don't know my name so ...

"Today Revit combined with Dynamo (and API) are by far better and more reliable in parametric design and as a BIM platform than GT, Tekla, Rhino and Grasshopper put together."

ok then, but if the Learning curve takes that long, and if it has the pretention to be an island of a soft that can do everything so well that there's no need in the world to even try to develop some other softs ... that's already two good reasons for me not to join this party.

[RDAOU]

@Anonymous

Funny! I am somehow starting to believe you cuz that's he same crap I heard when we were putting the specifications! Revit cannot do this and Autocad cannot do that we must use this anddddd the exact same statement on the lobbying and uselessness. ... It happens lol many are fooled into signing  contracts, later figure it's a losing deal and try to push so that they can work with what they have. 

(You should read up on Dynamo ... It is a powerful link between Revit and Rhino) something not logical thou! An expert in Rhino should or better say must be good with Grasshopper and if one works with Grasshopper he should have at least heard of Dynamo! How could it right that u never heard of it!

i have seen many who were able to master Revit in a couple of month and seen some who excelled in Dynamo and Python scripting after few weeks of training although they had no previous experience in that...yet I have seen many fail miserably! That doesn't mean it's the software's problem or that of the developer!!!

Facts and ethics 101

..Just because you can't do it doesn't mean others can't 

..Just because you are a slow learner it doesn't mean a software is bad

..Just because someone (or in this case a software) has proven itself better than other, doesn't mean you have to talk bad about it

..Just because more and more jobs are demanding Revit doesn't mean that AUTODESK is buying off everyone!

..Just because someing is complex from your perspective doesn't mean it is as hard or complex for others.

you need to learn some of that

PS: I thought you might give a name and a face to add some credibility to the big talk but I guess not everyone is up to such challenges. Ah! well I did meet a lot of people on that project, lots of big talk but no action! Only very few have proven themselves worthy

Goodluck with Rhino though...I will keep my fingered crossed for you and hope AUTODESK doesn't acquire that company too...then you ll be having a big problem lol

[Anonymous]

i'm wasting so much time reading you lecturing me. you know that ?

i don't need to prove anything to you, i know what i did on these projects, and it was a lot of work. i'm glad i didn't have to do it with revit ....

if you don't like that peoples leave their feedbacks and critics about their experience with Learning revit, wether they're right or wrong, well it shows me one more reason not to go for revit. 

Revit is perfect ! revit is the ultimate software ! oh my gooood !  ..... here, that's what you wanted to hear.

i'll read about dynamo if it's useful.

"i have seen many who were able to master Revit in a couple of month and seen some who excelled in Dynamo and Python scripting after few weeks of training although they had no previous experience in that...yet I have seen many fail miserably! That doesn't mean it's the software's problem or that of the developer!!!"

a couple of month ... you're sweet, i don't have a couple of months, i had three weeks. and less than three weeks is all it took to launch me into rhino and be able to make a carbon sailboat project.

 "I did meet a lot of people on that project, lots of big talk but no action! Only very few have proven themselves worthy"

don't know what you mean. these projects are close to be finished, and you don't see such Advanced architecture adventure everyday ... it's very rare. so "lots of big talk" ... that's you.

"Goodluck with Rhino though...I will keep my fingered crossed for you and hope AUTODESK doesn't acquire that company too...then you ll be having a big problem lol".

well, i don't care much, a ten years old rhino is enough to do any architecture project, and it'll still be true 50 years from now. as long as you can draw some ideas, it's all that architecture needs.

"yet I have seen many fail miserably! That doesn't mean it's the software's problem or that of the developer!!!"

well ... if it's not very open and tough to learn, then yes, it shows once more that critics can be made regarding this soft or the developper .... if you don't understand that, what can i do ...

you're perfect, you're a Genius, everyone else is stupid and can't manage revit, good for you ...

"..Just because someing is complex from your perspective doesn't mean it is as hard or complex for others."

with time, of course i'd be able to manage revit. the question is if i want to or not. if i like it or not. i hope i can still have the right to have some different tastes and vision ... as wrong as they sound to you.

"..Just because more and more jobs are demanding Revit doesn't mean that AUTODESK is buying off everyone!".

well, for public contracts now in France it's required to use a revit model ... talk about buying off everyone ...  i find it scandalous and i'm very surprised that it's something legal. quite totalitarian. one more reason for me not to go for revit.

cheers, you can move on and return to your dear revit, i won't be in your way.

[barthbradley]

Guys!!! Get a Room!!! HA!

This pissing contest between you two is way too funny!

I'm wondering though: with “only a few days left to learn” Revit, how are you coming along on doing that rudimentary modeling exercise, Adrien?  

[RDAOU]

Revit is not the all mighty software no one said that ... i said or my intention was to say do not talk bull**** about something which you have no clue about! Something which you are not even willing to learn about... you tried and failed. It's ok!

and QNM is indeed a nice project....as I have said that project has been remodeled using different software including Revit! And rhino was dumped at the early stages of Design Development stage. Wierd! I wonder why....But what do we know! You know it all and everyone else doesn't lol

as for seeing similar projects every day... I have worked for 15 years in the gulf and believe me I saw more complex and equally nice if not nice projects in a daily bases! I even had the opportunity to work on several too, by Zaha Haddid, OMA and Isozaki as well as other renowned architects...something which You don't see in France everyday indeed.

skipping the none sense to your last statement...Again you must know better than everyone and all those public and governmental agencies know nothing. Tell me about bull****! Public bids in France do not single source and if or when they do, I believe that they know a t least a bit better than you and me what is best for their projects 🙂

But then I wonder, if Rhino is the software for such a job...why would the project's designers specify a different software in the specs! Funny 

[RDAOU]

@barthbradley

It's not a pissing Contest...this person is posting falsified information on a project I was working on...and it is not fair when his claims remain unanswered.

Apart from that we wouldn't want anyone to be misled to believe that Revit is no good 🙂

[Anonymous]

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@Anonymous wrote:

Guys!!! Get a Room!!! HA!

This pissing contest between you two is way too funny!

I'm wondering though: with “only a few days left to learn” Revit, how are you coming along on doing that rudimentary modeling exercise, Adrien?  

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well, as i said, i gave it a try, but you guys confirmed that it couldn't be done in such a short time. i gave up, and we'll do it another way.

anyway, this initiation can perhaps be useful someday.

yes, i can imagine how this "pissing contest" looks like ... not that i really like it. rdaou seems to really like it though.

[ToanDN]

@barthbradley

oh come on now...  I have just finished a deadline last night and today I need stuff to read to keep me from bored to death.  This conversation is fitting properly so herein lies my topic subscription.

[dgorsman]

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@RDAOU wrote:

@barthbradley

It's not a pissing Contest...this person is posting falsified information on a project I was working on...and it is not fair when his claims remain unanswered.

Apart from that we wouldn't want anyone to be misled to believe that Revit is no good 🙂

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Point made, and obvious to most.  Lets just douse the flames and leave it alone for now - further responses aren't likely to help matters.

[Anonymous]

"and QNM is indeed a nice project....as I have said that project has been remodeled using different software including Revit! And rhino was dumped at the early stages of Design Development stage. Wierd! I wonder why....But what do we know! You know it all and everyone else doesn't lol"

well ... no ... it did its job, then some specialized softs were used to go further about the structure.

"as for seeing similar projects every day... I have worked for 15 years in the gulf and believe me I saw more complex and equally nice if not nice projects in a daily bases! I even had the opportunity to work on several too, by Zaha Haddid, OMA and Isozaki as well as other renowned architects...something which You don't see in France everyday indeed."

congrats. you're a super hero, and i ****ing don't care. wow, you pee far away ...

[Anonymous]

"It's not a pissing Contest...this person is posting falsified information on a project I was working on...and it is not fair when his claims remain unanswered.

Apart from that we wouldn't want anyone to be misled to believe that Revit is no good :)"

oh, you're so affraid that peoples will believe it's a bad soft, based on my own little feedback .... that it justifys so much from you. lol

ok guys, forget it : Revit is perfection on earth ! i kiss revit's feet everyday, i eat it, i breath it, i love it 🙂

satisfied ?

[Anonymous]

"something which You don't see in France everyday indeed."

well ... actualy we do ... many great architects in France too you know ...