Internal origin problems

[286535]

im working on a projekt where the entire projekt must be at 0.0.0 and that makes alot of problems for me, the projekt point and survey point is at 0.0.0 as the picture shows but the internal origin i down at -11150.0 and i cant understand how i can be down there. 

do anyone have some ideas for what i can do next? when i move the project base point to internal origin it goes down to -11150.0 obviously, så can i do anything to get it back up or am i forced to transfer the entire project to a new template

[RPTHOMAS108]

Your project base point is displaying an elevation relative to survey point, your survey point has been dragged up whilst clipped thus moving the survey elevation 0 to 11150 above internal origin.

One way to fix it:

Go to elevation showing survey and internal point

Unclip survey point and zero the elevation value (if not already 0).

Clip survey and align it down to internal origin level

Then use relocate project command on manage tab to move the project base point and project

Pick project base point

Pick level at elevation of internal origin (i.e. move project elements in model down to internal).

[286535]

hello thanks for the help, shall i use relocate project in manage tab or shall i do it manually

[barthbradley]

You know, before you go moving things, I'd be questioning why the IO is positioned where it is.  Did someone model a Toposurface in the Project. That might be one explanation, since Internal Points are relative to the IO.  Some people like to keep this relationship true.  If so, the IO shouldn't be a problem remaining where it's at.  Are you saying it is a problem?   

[RPTHOMAS108]

I believe it essentially does the same thing but with the command on the manage tab you know it is moving everything not just the things selected (nothing hidden left behind).

As @barthbradley notes would understand from others who may have established the reason for it. Never a good idea to be too far away from the internal origin however in my view.

[barthbradley]

Do you have Links in the Project? If so, I'll bet that you are confusing a Link's IO for your Project IO.   Let me know if I won the bet.  

[286535]

Hello, thanks for the answer.

How can the topsurface do that, is it something i can change? i also have a autocad drawing in the file 

[286535]

i can see that there is linked a CAD file to the revit projekt, is there any way i can see if it is the links IO or the project IO?

[barthbradley]

Just hide or unload all the links in a view. The sole remaining Internal Origin we be your Project's IO.  I bet it's close to your PBP/SP.  Not the same one you thought. 

I guessing that its current position is exactly right.  If so, all is right as rain. Nothing more to do. Right?  

[286535]

so when that is done, i should be able to relocate my projekt to be at the origin point again?
when i unload the link it is still the same IO i see, and when i the to relocate my project to be at 0.0.0 the IO moves with the project and the project goes to the SP if that makes sence

[barthbradley]

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@286535 wrote:

Hello, thanks for the answer.

How can the topsurface do that, is it something i can change? i also have a autocad drawing in the file 

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This is a different issue from the Internal Origin issue.  That one is easy to correct though.  Just move the Topo in Elevation to where it's supposed to be in relationship to the Building Model. You'll want to coordinate with the team on this first though.                       

[barthbradley]

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@286535 wrote:
so when that is done, i should be able to relocate my projekt to be at the origin point again?
when i unload the link it is still the same IO i see, and when i the to relocate my project to be at 0.0.0 the IO moves with the project and the project goes to the SP if that makes sence

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I don't think there will be anything to do.  I think the Project Internal Origin is exactly where it should be. In other words, it never got moved. Hide the Links and see for yourself.  

[286535]

okay, what if i want to relocate the project to be right on top of the IO, right now the IO is almost in the middle of a concrete element and and want the project placed so it is in the corner

[barthbradley · Accepted solution]

Okay - sounds like you are saying that the IO that is 1150 below the PBP/SP, is in fact the true Project IO. Okay, back to Plan A then. Move the Project -- after you discuss it with the team. Like I said, there may be good reason the IO is not on top of the PBP/SP.    

[barthbradley]

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@286535 wrote:
okay, what if i want to relocate the project to be right on top of the IO, right now the IO is almost in the middle of a concrete element and and want the project placed so it is in the corner

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your IO is in the middle of a concrete element???  Something wacky is going on here.  I'd like the see the Project before I advise you further. Post the RVT here. I'll take a look at it tomorrow morning. It's getting late here.  

[tedgWB3WP]

I know this is sort of an old thread, I am having similar issues. I updated a 2017 project to 2023, and needed to move the base point and survey point (relocated the project due to a poorly set up model). All is good now, EXCEPT the internal origin stayed where it was and I have no way of moving it (that I can see). I have those little green/red arrow showing but not where I want them. This thread seems to imply that you just need to turn them off? Any other ideas out there?

[ToanDN]

Internal Origin cannot be moved.

[tedgWB3WP]

Thanks for the confirmation, I was afraid of that, bummer. It's not really effecting anything other than I see it and it's wrong. When I link models in I use Origin-Origin manual placement to make sure they land where I want.

I will probably just turn it off in my view templates so it doesn't bug me.

(cheers)