How to display existing phase in gray?

[Ali.Katebi]

Hello

I should to show Existing phase in gray an all sheets and views. When I am in "New Construction" Phase, graphic is very good, but when I am in "Existing" phase, all lines (such ad walls, windows and so on) shown in black.

I tried this ways:

- change "Silhouette" to gray line. (did not change)

- Manage --> Phasing

- Manage --> Setting --> Object Style (Change Line Color to gray) (this method was successful, but in 3D view shown all existing to gray then "I could not show materials in 3D view" and this is too bad.)

- Right Click --> Override Graphic in view (This method shows the graphic well, but I have to change a lot of things and it takes a lot time and I think that's not the standard.)

Please show an standard method for show all existing plans in gray, even when I am in existing mood.

thanks a lot

[Redrunner92]

Your hunch was correct when you tried using Phasing. The trick is to set your Phasing Settings appropriately, then set the correct filter. Since you want the graphics to show in a way that is "abnormal" (meaning different from how things look when you are seeing the current phase), then Phasing Settings will be the solution.

In your Phasing settings (in your Manage tab, click the button called "Phasing"), set up your phasing to match the image below. Make all fields in the Existing row grey, including the material you apply to this setting, if you apply a material. Then click Ok to confirm these settings. Next, in the view you want to make the object grey, in the Properties palette, set your selected Phase to the phase after the phase in which the grey items are set as New (meaning the phase in which they were placed). Then set the Phase Filter to "Show Previous Phase." This will do the trick.

First image below: all items grey due to Phase filter. Second image below: all items look normal due to current phase and Show Complete phase filter in use.

Grey itemsNormal-appearance items

[hmunsell]

follow @Redrunner92 suggestions.... only thing i would add is instead of setting the color to grey, i often pick the Halftone option instead. depending on your printing options, if you don't check the halftone box, when you print it may still print Black.

[loboarch]

What you are describing is the way phases are designed to work. You may want to check this video to see a basic overview of how to set up phasing.

http://help.autodesk.com/view/RVT/2020/ENU/?guid=GUID-90AF29D6-AF27-4447-B4BF-891D7BAEE47F

[Redrunner92]

I realized after I posted that halftone is the better way to do that; I'm on the west coast and still have sleepy brain... I'm glad you added this improvement 😊

[hmunsell]

i've seen it done several different ways. if you have a color printer or are not using other colors on the plans, you can print in Color/Grey scale and the grey lines will print grey. if you are printing using the Black Line setting, it has to be marked as Halftone to print grey.

[Redrunner92]

That's good to clarify because I'm sure a lot of people like me print in black lines almost all the time, and probably most people don't consider the colored setting. What you said here about different printers printing differently is news to me, so I'm glad you said it!

[Ali.Katebi]

When I show the Existing Phase, Revit shows in black lines but I need to show in gray "lines" when I show the Existing Phase, such as the attached image.
Thanks so much

[Ali.Katebi]

Thank you

I've tried this before, but it's not my solution. I need to show lines in exactly RGB=128,128,128

I attached an image in last reply. Please check it.

[Ali.Katebi]

Thank you for good video. but as I said I need to show gray the Existing families in "all views" such as Existin phase. When I show Proposed phase, all default graphics are good but when I show Existing phase, existing object lines is black.

[loboarch]

I suspect you can build a custom phase filter to do what you want.

[hmunsell]

@Ali.Katebi  can you upload your model?

[Ali.Katebi]

Could you guide me better on how I can achieve my goal?

[loboarch · Accepted solution]

Looking back at your original question, it seems there may be a mis-understanding about how Revit phasing works.

So you say when you are in the "New Construction" phase everything looks good. New is black, existing is gray. When you go the existing phase now the existing stuff is shown black. The "new" stuff goes away and is not displayed.

The reason this happens is because when your view is set to "New Construction" the walls created in this phase are "new" shown in black. When you change the view to existing, now those "new" walls are essentially in the future, so they are not visible at all, but now the "existing" walls are walls that are created in this phase are "new" at this point in time so they are shown black.

It has to do with the phase of the view AND when the element was created.  If the phase of the view matches the phase created of the element. That element is considered "new" at that point in time. If you change the phase of the view to some point on the time line after the phase created of the element, then it is considered "existing".

So to do what you want you need to create a phase filter that applies an override to all "new" elements in a view. Then you need to modify the "new" graphic override. Then apply the new phase filter to the view.

In the images (and the attached sample project) I have 2 views of level 1. Level 1 - Phase 1 (my existing conditions) and Level 1 - Phase 2 (my new construction). I have created a custom phase filter that is applied to Level 1 - Phase 1 view. That filter set new elements to "overridden" . I set the override for new elements to display gray. In the Level 1 - Phase 2 view I have it set to use a filter "show complete" and it works fine showing what I am after.

  

[fitzpatrickm1971]

I have a similar problem and the first time I read Lobarch's answer it made no sense to me because I am not experienced enough to comprehend all the various generalities he used.  After I learned more and figured out an answer, his answer made a lot of sense.  LOL.

  My problem is I wanted to show 8 different progressive concrete pours in 3D and the civil engineer I am hiring wanted better virtualization for the future city plan reviewers and himself. 

Step 1:  Click "Manage" tab, click "Phases".  "Phasing" (on stun?) window opens up and it has 3 tabs.  The first tab (and the default open tab) is "Project Phases".  There are some default phases already named and numbered.  On the right side of the window is an "Insert" box.  Using the "Before" and "After" tabs in the "Insert" box I added new phases named "Concrete pour 1" to "Concrete pour 8".

Step 2: Click on the "Phasing" window tab named "Phase Filters".  On my version of REVIT there are ten different "Phase Filters".  Number 5 is "Show Complete".  Find your "Show Complete" and in both the "New" and "Existing" column boxes click on the boxes and a drop down appears with choices.  Choose "Overridden" for both.

Step 3:  Still in the "Phasing" window, click on the "Graphic Overrides" tab.  This is where "Overridden" lives.  Notice the "Phase Status" "Existing" has thin grey lines and the "Phase Status" "New" has thicker black lines.  This is what we are talking about!  For added effect, on the "Existing" row I added a check to "Halftone".   Click the "OK"  box to apply the changes and close the "Phasing" window.

Step 4:  I went to the Project Browser, scrolled down to the "3D Views" and then duplicated and renamed views until I had views named "3D Concrete pour 1" to "3D Concrete pour 8"

Step 5:  Starting with "3D Concrete pour 1" I opened it.  In the properties section scroll to the bottom by clicking and pulling down the grey slide bar.  The last property is "Phasing" with two parameters:  "Phase Filter" and "Phase"  In the drop down box of choices revealed when you click on the box I chose "Show New".  In the "Phase" choice box I selected "Concrete pour 1".  After clicking the "Apply" button on the same line as "Properties help" The view "3D Concrete pour 1" should look correct.  (If it doesn't, see step 7)

Step 6:  Do the same for each view in the series.  Except after the first view, in subsequent views in the "Phase Filter" box select "Show Complete".

Step 7:  Now each view should be just the way you want it.  Except, of course it is not because all the previous work I did was not done with this end result in mind.  The fix (which took hours) was to click on each element of the project.  After it turned blue, that element's properties were in the Properties window.  Scrolling to the bottom of the "Properties" window reveals the ubiquitous "Phasing" category.  In the "Phase created" drop down choice list I picked the phase which matched the view name (I placed elements in "Concrete pour 6" created that I wanted to first see in view "3D Concrete pour 6").  Many...many wall and column elements spanned two, and occasionally three views.  For some walls I was able to successfully use the "Modify|Walls" tool to split them and then change the "Phase created" property attribute.  But for most elements this resulted in another fine mess so often it ended up being easier to delete the offending element and redraw the parts in each appropriate view with the correct phasing.  Also I am doing a remodel job and I wanted some of existing walls to disappear to make it easier to see the new concrete and show the new concrete was using new footers.  I found no ninja move to do this and ended up hiding them using the glasses icon on the bottom of the view tabs.  Every time I reopen the project to print I have to use the glasses to rehide the existing walls I do not want to see.  After highlighting in blue an element if you right click on a blank part of the view a menu appears which includes the choice "Hide in view".  I am scared to use this because once an element disappears in a view using this I don't know how to make it reappear.  LOL.